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Vodkapundit Ľ An Open Letter to the GOP Leadership

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An Open Letter to the GOP Leadership

Posted By Stephen Green On November 19, 2012 @ 10:25 am In Uncategorized | 24 Comments

Dear Speaker Boehner and Other Assorted Clueless Bozos on Capitol Hill,

Youíve already been pwned, and itís too late to un-pwn yourself even if such a thing were possible. Which it isnít. Now itís time to try something new. Letís call it: Give them what they want.

Iíll repeat: Give President Obama and the Democrats the tax hikes they demand, and which most polls show the American public accepts.

Youíll let us avoid the fiscal cliff ó a phrase Iím going to do my best to avoid using from now on. A better phrase, if less elegant, might be, ďthe totally artificial fiscal construct engineered by our so-called leaders a while back, just in case they hadnít already assed up the economy quite enough.Ē But I digress.

Give them the tax hikes. Look big, look magnanimous, look bipartisan. Be sure at every mention of the tax hikes to talk up the spending cuts and entitlement reforms Obama and the Democrats promised to talk about in a grand bargain down the road. Someday, whenevs, as soon as Obama gets his round tuit in the mail. The important thing is to change the subject.

Youíve been the subject for almost two weeks now, and thatís never a good thing. First of all, the media portray you as idiots and the Democrats portray you as evil. Secondly, then you get out in front of the cameras and do your darnedest to prove them all right. That [REDACTED] has got to stop.

The new subject can be: Why wonít the Democrats agree even just to a serious discussion about the spending reforms we so desperately need? ďHave you seen these guys?Ē The media wonít go along, of course, but at least youíll have changed the subject.

Later, you can talk about something else: Where are the revenues?


You know and I know (and even Obama knows) that increasing the top marginal tax rate wonít come even close to getting our fiscal house in order. At best, itís like plugging a broken dam with a damp sponge. At worst, itís like fighting a forest fire by wandering around in the woods with lighter fluid on your nads.

So next summer, next fall, thatís the new new subject: Where are the revenues?

And thereís a third subject that will fall nicely into place: Where are the jobs?


Your line of attack could go something like this:
We gave the Democrats their taxes. They already got ObamaCare, which we said would kill jobs. They already got Dodd-Frank, which we said would strangle credit and small banks. They got their vindictive EPA, which we said would sit on the economy like Paul Prudhomme sits on a Barcalounger after downing that third quart of sausage gumbo. We told you this wouldnít work, and it hasnít. And it wonít.
You might want to tidy up the language some, but you get the idea. The problem is, you canít open this line of attack so long as your ďobstructionismĒ is what everybody is talking about. Itís not like the economy can get too terribly much more messed up than it already is, by raising the top rate to where it was during the Clinton years. And if we do walk off that fiscal cliff on January 1, we all know who will get the blame: You guys.

Will it be true? No. But Iíve seen the GOP leadership ó thatís you, remember? ó in action against the Democrats these last two years, and you guys couldnít dodge a spitball if it were shot at you from across a football field by an asthmatic spider monkey with glaucoma.


So give them what they want. Change the subject.

Iím afraid the reason youíre afraid to try this tact is youíre secretly afraid that Obamanomics will work, given enough time. Youíre worried that somehow, alienating job creators and sucking money out of the creative economy and hijacking the healthcare industry and enshrining Too Big to Fail and outlawing coal and all the rest will somehow eventually create a bunch of jobs and balance the budget and stuff.

Well, for goodness sake, ladies and gentlemen of the Soon-To-Be-Permanent GOP Minority: At least pretend to have the courage of the convictions you pretend to hold. I mean, the Democrats (and Nixon) tried this stuff in the í60s and í70s, and all it gave us was stagflation and disco and velour neckties. Today the left has things so screwed up, that the Fed canít even kick off a scathing round of inflation when it tries to.

Really, the only big difference between now and 1980 is, you somehow managed to [REDACTED]ing lose to Jimmy [SO VERY REDACTED]ing Carter this time around. The GOP managed to help get a second term for a guy with a broken economy and a dead ambassador and all the rest, who ran for reelection on a platform ďthe other guy is teh suck.Ē Do you understand how epic a fail that is? You must understand after November 6 that whatever youíve been doing, itís not working.

I didnít want it to come to this, but it has. So take my advice, please. Because you canít afford to be the subject any more.

And we canít afford it, either.
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42 views and no comments? It seems to me that those who think Obama has the best plan forward should be embracing this fully. Obvious to you it would be what has been asked, for a long time, no?

Are the conservatives afraid that the liberals are correct, that such 'following the will of the people' will lead to a sudden increase in GDP, an unemployment rate back to 5%, and an increase in revenue?
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Had this discussion last week with some people. These were my sentiments as well. Turn over the keys to the Dems and see what happens. If it works great, if not you can play the "I told you so" game

It's really a win win
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Okay. Let's talk about Obama's revenue raising plan. Great idea.

Obama wants to raise the tax margins on the top two percent back to what they were under Clinton. He does not want to return everyone's tax rates to Clinton's, just the top two percenters.

This will raise $1.6 trillion over the next ten years.

At this point, the peanut gallery points out this is not enough. The OP is such an example:

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You know and I know (and even Obama knows) that increasing the top marginal tax rate won’t come even close to getting our fiscal house in order. At best, it’s like plugging a broken dam with a damp sponge. At worst, it’s like fighting a forest fire by wandering around in the woods with lighter fluid on your nads.


So that must mean the Republicans have a better idea, right?



Riiiiiiiiiight...

The Republican plan is to cap deductions on household earnings for people who make more than $250,000.


And THIS will solve the problem, right? Right? That's not just some damp sponge, right?


Wrong.

That plan would raise the same amount of money.


So what was it you were saying? Something about lighter fluid on your nads.


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Had this discussion last week with some people. These were my sentiments as well. Turn over the keys to the Dems and see what happens. If it works great, if not you can play the "I told you so" game

It's really a win win
I'm hoping the country is deep enough in resources to survive 4 years of this. Truth is, the time has come for one party and their ideas to be given 'a fair try.' Obama had an electoral landslide, so the time is theirs.

As you say, if they are correct, we win. If they are wrong, the reins will be passed, as the failure will be owned by one party.
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Okay. Let's talk about Obama's revenue raising plan. Great idea.

Obama wants to raise the tax margins on the top two percent back to what they were under Clinton. He does not want to return everyone's tax rates to Clinton's, just the top two percenters.

This will raise $1.6 trillion over the next ten years.

At this point, the peanut gallery points out this is not enough. The OP is such an example:

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You know and I know (and even Obama knows) that increasing the top marginal tax rate wonít come even close to getting our fiscal house in order. At best, itís like plugging a broken dam with a damp sponge. At worst, itís like fighting a forest fire by wandering around in the woods with lighter fluid on your nads.


So that must mean the Republicans have a better idea, right?



Riiiiiiiiiight...

The Republican plan is to cap deductions on household earnings for people who make more than $250,000.


And THIS will solve the problem, right? Right? That's not just some damp sponge, right?


Wrong.

That plan would raise the same amount of money.


So what was it you were saying?


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I don't see the relevancy of conservative plans on really, anything. This is Obama's time.
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You don't have a choice about giving the keys to Obama. The GOP lost, so it isn't your choice. Don't pretend it is.


Instead of attacking, you better start coming up with better ideas.

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I don't see the relevancy of conservative plans on really, anything. This is Obama's time.
Of course you don't see. That's why you lost.

You can't come up with superior ideas, so all you can do is attack the other guy's plan.

The GOP is ideologically and intellectually bankrupt.

You have earned Obama. You certainly worked hard enough to make sure he got re-elected.


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Okay. Let's talk about Obama's revenue raising plan. Great idea.

Obama wants to raise the tax margins on the top two percent back to what they were under Clinton. He does not want to return everyone's tax rates to Clinton's, just the top two percenters.

This will raise $1.6 trillion over the next ten years.

At this point, the peanut gallery points out this is not enough. The OP is such an example:

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You know and I know (and even Obama knows) that increasing the top marginal tax rate wonít come even close to getting our fiscal house in order. At best, itís like plugging a broken dam with a damp sponge. At worst, itís like fighting a forest fire by wandering around in the woods with lighter fluid on your nads.


So that must mean the Republicans have a better idea, right?



Riiiiiiiiiight...

The Republican plan is to cap deductions on household earnings for people who make more than $250,000.


And THIS will solve the problem, right? Right? That's not just some damp sponge, right?


Wrong.

That plan would raise the same amount of money.


So what was it you were saying? Something about lighter fluid on your nads.


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Why are you entitled to other people's money just because they have more than you? If your wife puts out 4 times a week and mine only puts out 2 times a week, should you only get to have sex with her 3 times and I get to 1 time to get my "fair share"?
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Why are you entitled to other people's money just because they have more than you? If your wife puts out 4 times a week and mine only puts out 2 times a week, should you only get to have sex with her 3 times and I get to 1 time to get my "fair share"?
And the GOP plan differs...how?

It also targets the top two percent.

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I don't see the relevancy of conservative plans on really, anything. This is Obama's time.
Of course you don't see. That's why you lost.

You can't come up with superior ideas, so all you can do is attack the other guy's plan.

The GOP is ideologically and intellectually bankrupt.

You have earned Obama. You certainly worked hard enough to make sure he got re-elected.


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Whether or not there are 'superior plans' from the conservative side is beside the point, they lost. Thus the plans, as you sort of intimate, are Obama's to succeed or fail.

I'm saying that he should get what he asks for. The 'loyal opposition' should state why they feel something may be wrong, but given him credit for winning, and support his plans.
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Why are you entitled to other people's money just because they have more than you? If your wife puts out 4 times a week and mine only puts out 2 times a week, should you only get to have sex with her 3 times and I get to 1 time to get my "fair share"?
And the GOP plan differs...how?

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You get to keep your 4 times a week with your wife and I get my 2 times a week with mine. But hey, if you're willing to be charitable on your own and share........
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I don't see the relevancy of conservative plans on really, anything. This is Obama's time.
Of course you don't see. That's why you lost.

You can't come up with superior ideas, so all you can do is attack the other guy's plan.

The GOP is ideologically and intellectually bankrupt.

You have earned Obama. You certainly worked hard enough to make sure he got re-elected.


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Whether or not there are 'superior plans' from the conservative side is beside the point, they lost. Thus the plans, as you sort of intimate, are Obama's to succeed or fail.

I'm saying that he should get what he asks for. The 'loyal opposition' should state why they feel something may be wrong, but given him credit for winning, and support his plans.
You seem overly confident Obama's plans will fail. Just like the right was overly confident Romney was winning.

And just like being gobsmacked by reality on Election Day, being overly confident Obama will fail could seriously blow up in your face.

Your attitude is one that hopes America suffers. That's pretty sick.

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Why are you entitled to other people's money just because they have more than you? If your wife puts out 4 times a week and mine only puts out 2 times a week, should you only get to have sex with her 3 times and I get to 1 time to get my "fair share"?
And the GOP plan differs...how?

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You get to keep your 4 times a week with your wife and I get my 2 times a week with mine. But hey, if you're willing to be charitable on your own and share........
You obviously don't comprehend the GOP plan.

Let me sum it up in a way you can understand: Tax the rich more.

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And in case anyone is assuming something about me, I do not believe the solution is to tax the rich more.

I believe we need to reform the tax code entirely. This back and forth haggling between the GOP and the Democrats over how much more to tax the rich is a gigantic shell game that continues the game of fucking us all over.

Eliminate all tax expenditures. All of them. Every last one. There are $1 trillion of them. That's ANNUALLY. The Democrats and Republicans are fighting over $160 billion annually.

And make it impossible for a bought-and-paid-for Congress to add any tax expenditures to the code.

That's the real cure.

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