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What about all the white people who voted for Obama? I am sure they only wanted to see someone of the same color in office as them.

oh.... wait.
Uh-huh...And white people who voted for Obiedoodle because he's black couldn't possibly be racist, huh?
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John Sununu, Mitt Romney Campaign Co-Chair has recently said, outright that the reason that Colin Powell's supported Barack Obama is because they're both black.

Here's Sununu in his own words on the matter...

John Sununu Says Race Played Role in Colin Powell's Endoresement - YouTube

And here is General Colin Powell in his own words giving Obama a second endorsement.

Colin Powell Endorses President Obama - YouTube

Here's three (3) reasons why this is not only personally offensive, but utterly reprehensible and why there's no equivalency on the left for this sort of low-down nastiness...there just isn't so save it.
  1. It's outright racist, coming from the party that always CLAIMS to "not see race"
  2. He's a top Romney campaign member, and forefront GOPer in the public sphere
  3. There's no outcry from the right...they are silent (yes, I'm talking to you USMB RWer)

You people just give reason, after reason, after reason to hold and keep you/your party in contempt...on a daily basis. And you want to get offended when called out on it.

Either save it or prove me wrong... I know you want to win this election really badly and don't want to do anything to jeopardize it, but c'mon...show some leadership, show some Personal Responsibility.

The way I see it, it's like this. Sununu put his foot in his mouth...only sort of. Powell obviously knows why he is voting for Obama and so publicly stated the same. On the other hand, some of us who lean to the right...especially crusading pundits, may have felt offended when a long time, powerful republican endorsed Obama during the previous campaign. Fast forward to Powell's second endorsement of the President. Maybe the other side felt a response was needed to explain away the General's public support of the "other side". Does this justify Sununu's words? No, but it's par for the course during an election year.

I've been very fond of Powell for many years and I trust the man's words and intent.

Throwing down the race card is a weak and inane move for either side. Some people may vote because they identify with the ethnicity of a given candidate...so what? I imagine if that is the case it's based on deeply personal reasoning, or not. Who can be sure unless the person so states such bias? My point however, is that Sununu does not speak for me personally, and while deeply imbedded in the Romney campaign, he is not the universal mouth for every republican out there. Both sides have played the race card. I suspect they always shall.
Why do you claim he simply "put his foot in his mouth?" How do you derive at this conclussion? Are you saying he doesn't believe what he's saying? He worded what he meant wrongly? If so, then what's he trying to say? It's pretty clear what he said and what he means. Yet, you are unwilling to call him on it. That's one.

Two, why must you state something including "the other side." There's no "other side" here. This is the Republicans engaging in one of their favorite pasttimes. There's no equivalency here...I've stated as much. Why not take personal responsibility for the action of a CURRNET PUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE of your party.

That brings me to three...you vehemently state that Sununu does not speak for you personally, yet you are still unwilling and unable to condemn his actions. Why is this? Do you agree with him? If not state so. This is part of taking personal responibility. What you do when you do not condemn him is condone him. You're saying it's OK to do this, no one will hold you accountable. That means it will continue to happen again. So you're last statement "I suspect they always shall" becomes more of a self-fulfilling prophecy because of Republicans like you who do NOT and/or REFUSE to condemn these nasty and offensive actions of your party.

So you can see how it's hard to take you/your words/your party seriously considering all this. And that's putting it nicely.
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John Sununu, Mitt Romney Campaign Co-Chair has recently said, outright that the reason that Colin Powell's supported Barack Obama is because they're both black.

Here's Sununu in his own words on the matter...

John Sununu Says Race Played Role in Colin Powell's Endoresement - YouTube

And here is General Colin Powell in his own words giving Obama a second endorsement.

Colin Powell Endorses President Obama - YouTube

Here's three (3) reasons why this is not only personally offensive, but utterly reprehensible and why there's no equivalency on the left for this sort of low-down nastiness...there just isn't so save it.
  1. It's outright racist, coming from the party that always CLAIMS to "not see race"
  2. He's a top Romney campaign member, and forefront GOPer in the public sphere
  3. There's no outcry from the right...they are silent (yes, I'm talking to you USMB RWer)

You people just give reason, after reason, after reason to hold and keep you/your party in contempt...on a daily basis. And you want to get offended when called out on it.

Either save it or prove me wrong... I know you want to win this election really badly and don't want to do anything to jeopardize it, but c'mon...show some leadership, show some Personal Responsibility.

The way I see it, it's like this. Sununu put his foot in his mouth...only sort of. Powell obviously knows why he is voting for Obama and so publicly stated the same. On the other hand, some of us who lean to the right...especially crusading pundits, may have felt offended when a long time, powerful republican endorsed Obama during the previous campaign. Fast forward to Powell's second endorsement of the President. Maybe the other side felt a response was needed to explain away the General's public support of the "other side". Does this justify Sununu's words? No, but it's par for the course during an election year.

I've been very fond of Powell for many years and I trust the man's words and intent.

Throwing down the race card is a weak and inane move for either side. Some people may vote because they identify with the ethnicity of a given candidate...so what? I imagine if that is the case it's based on deeply personal reasoning, or not. Who can be sure unless the person so states such bias? My point however, is that Sununu does not speak for me personally, and while deeply imbedded in the Romney campaign, he is not the universal mouth for every republican out there. Both sides have played the race card. I suspect they always shall.
Why do you claim he simply "put his foot in his mouth?" How do you derive at this conclussion? Are you saying he doesn't believe what he's saying? He worded what he meant wrongly? If so, then what's he trying to say? It's pretty clear what he said and what he means. Yet, you are unwilling to call him on it. That's one.

Two, why must you state something including "the other side." There's no "other side" here. This is the Republicans engaging in one of their favorite pasttimes. There's no equivalency here...I've stated as much. Why not take personal responsibility for the action of a CURRNET PUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE of your party.

That brings me to three...you vehemently state that Sununu does not speak for you personally, yet you are still unwilling and unable to condemn his actions. Why is this? Do you agree with him? If not state so. This is part of taking personal responibility. What you do when you do not condemn him is condone him. You're saying it's OK to do this, no one will hold you accountable. That means it will continue to happen again. So you're last statement "I suspect they always shall" becomes more of a self-fulfilling prophecy because of Republicans like you who do NOT and/or REFUSE to condemn these nasty and offensive actions of your party.

So you can see how it's hard to take you/your words/your party seriously considering all this. And that's putting it nicely.
too bad, we don't have to condemn him and your views of these THINGS are nasty offensive actions..YOU all don't make up the rules of what are racism, nasty or offensive that we all have to live by..WE have freedom of speech and will not BE SHUT up by you people
You don't condemn you party, so you don't get to tell us to CONDEMN ANYTHING
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Look at all the RW responses thus far... a series of excuses, ignoring the issue and/or outright don't cares.

Very telling.
Excuse?

Powell is a racist, as are you. Powell is endorsing a skin color, not a man. Like you, Powell cares a HELL of a lot more about race than about the content of character.
This article really nails it and is a perfect response to your post.
Treating Colin Powell as

Here's a more honest assessment of Powell's reasoning than the dishonest assessment in your post and the other posts like it.
"Yesterday, Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president, explaining that he believes the incumbent has done a good job on the economy given the situation he was handed. As a former secretary of state and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Powell also took serious issue with the foreign policy stances of Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, saying that ” I’m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy”:

“One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.

INTERVIEWER: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney?

POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.”
Colin Powell endorses Obama; Sununu, McCain go nuts | Jay Bookman
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What about all the white people who voted for Obama? I am sure they only wanted to see someone of the same color in office as them.

oh.... wait.
Uh-huh...And white people who voted for Obiedoodle because he's black couldn't possibly be racist, huh?

Welcome to advetures in missing the point.

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You're not making any sense...blacks have been voting for white candidates and Presidents for decades.
BZZZZZ

In any race where there is a black and white candidate, blacks will vote for the black candidate - period.

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Also, how many blacks support black Republicans?

Why are you so racist?
The racist here is you, and everyone knows it. You care only about skin color.
Here's another dumb and dishonest statement made by you that is easily debunked. What was the percent of Black who voted for Alan Keyes when he ran for President? Who would "the Blacks" vote for if it was Bill Clinton vs Alan west? How about Hillary Clinton vs Herman Cain? Thanks for the laugh!
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If Colin Powell endorsed obama because he really believed that obama was doing the right thing, then Colin Powell would admit that he is a democrat and change his party affiliation. Since he didn't do that, and remains ostensibly a republican, the only conclusion is that he endorses obama because obama is black.
Don't you think that there are different political factions in the republican party? Has Ron Paul endorsed Mitt Romney? Charlie Crist endorsed Obama.

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too bad, we don't have to condemn him and your views of these THINGS are nasty offensive actions..YOU all don't make up the rules of what are racism, nasty or offensive that we all have to live by..WE have freedom of speech and will not BE SHUT up by you people
You don't condemn you party, so you don't get to tell us to CONDEMN ANYTHING
Thanks for proving my point by doubling down.

Do keep it up.

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sununu is probably right.
Ditto to my previous post.

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This article really nails it and is a perfect response to your post.
Treating Colin Powell as

Here's a more honest assessment of Powell's reasoning than the dishonest assessment in your post and the other posts like it.
"Yesterday, Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president, explaining that he believes the incumbent has done a good job on the economy given the situation he was handed. As a former secretary of state and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Powell also took serious issue with the foreign policy stances of Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, saying that ” I’m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy”:

“One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances.
But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.

INTERVIEWER: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney?

POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.”
Colin Powell endorses Obama; Sununu, McCain go nuts | Jay Bookman
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Liberals have no trouble believing that some people oppose Obama because he's black. Yet, they express shock at the suggestion that some people support Obama because he's black. Curious.

Given all the times that liberals have accused white conservatives of attacking Obama because he's black, it's rather odd to see such an intense protest over the idea that some blacks support him because he's black.

Is Powell's endorsement based on race? I suspect that's part of the reason, and it might even be the deciding factor, but I think there are other reasons as well.
Conservatives deny that anyone opposes Obama just because he's black, yet they constantly claim that black people support him only because he's black.

Given all the times that Conservatives have denied that race plays any part in their dislike for Obama, it's rather odd to see such an intense belief in the idea that black people only support Obama because he's black.


See how that works?
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This article really nails it and is a perfect response to your post.
Treating Colin Powell as

Here's a more honest assessment of Powell's reasoning than the dishonest assessment in your post and the other posts like it.
"Yesterday, Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president, explaining that he believes the incumbent has done a good job on the economy given the situation he was handed. As a former secretary of state and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Powell also took serious issue with the foreign policy stances of Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, saying that ” I’m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy”:

“One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances.
But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.

INTERVIEWER: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney?

POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.”
Colin Powell endorses Obama; Sununu, McCain go nuts | Jay Bookman
Can you repeat that Mr. Phoenix?


I will also add that this thread does demonstrate the mindset of some White republicans attitude towards Black people in general and Black politicians specifically; It seems that as long as a Black republican makes blanket and inaccurate as well as insulting and demeaning comments in the form of generalizations about Black people who vote democrat and Black people in general, they are considered "free thinkers" and the "good Blacks". They had those same thoughts about Colin Powell until he started speaking his mind and truly being a FREE THINKER and promoting his vision of the republican party. Now he's a "racist", now those pukes who don't even qualify to clean his jock strap will hurl all sorts of insults towards Colin Powell.
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This article really nails it and is a perfect response to your post.
Treating Colin Powell as

Here's a more honest assessment of Powell's reasoning than the dishonest assessment in your post and the other posts like it.
"Yesterday, Colin Powell endorsed Barack Obama for president, explaining that he believes the incumbent has done a good job on the economy given the situation he was handed. As a former secretary of state and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Powell also took serious issue with the foreign policy stances of Obama’s opponent, Mitt Romney, saying that ” I’m not quite sure which Governor Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy”:

“One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan, but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal. Same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances.
But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern, which I’ve expressed previously in a public way, is that sometimes I don’t sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have, and he gets advice from his campaign staff that he then has to adjust to modify as he goes along.

INTERVIEWER: Are you concerned about the people that are advising Governor Romney?

POWELL: I think there’s some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the Governor that I have some trouble with. There are other issues as well, not just the economy and foreign policy. I’m more comfortable with President Obama and his administration when it comes to issues like what are we going to do about climate, what are we going to do about immigration? What are we going to do about education? Lots of things like that. I do not want to see the new Obamacare plan thrown off the table. It has issues, you have to fix some things in that plan. But what I see when I look at that plan is 30 million of our fellow citizens will now be covered by insurance. And I think that’s good. We’re one of the few nations in the world, with our size, population and wealth, that does not have universal health care.”
Colin Powell endorses Obama; Sununu, McCain go nuts | Jay Bookman
Can you repeat that Mr. Phoenix?


I will also add that this thread does demonstrate the mindset of some White republicans attitude towards Black people in general and Black politicians specifically; It seems that as long as a Black republican makes blanket and inaccurate as well as insulting and demeaning comments in the form of generalizations about Black people who vote democrat and Black people in general, they are considered "free thinkers" and the "good Blacks". They had those same thoughts about Colin Powell until he started speaking his mind and truly being a FREE THINKER and promoting his vision of the republican party. Now he's a "racist", now those pukes who don't even qualify to clean his jock strap will hurl all sorts of insults towards Colin Powell.
OMG..your whine over Colin Powell is hilarious..when during Bush you hated his guts. Now he's become a hero to you lefties just because he endorses Obama OVER his own Party..you people are so transparent
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Then maybe Powell should just STFU and go join the Democrat Party, if he's sooooooooo concerned.

It would be a lot more intellectually honest.
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