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just couldnt stop yourself could you frankie?

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Throughout the McGoverns’ early married years, their family grew. They had a total of five children, and McGovern later wrote that he regretted being so wrapped up in his studies during the children’s formative years.



“If I had devoted a fraction of the effort to preparing myself to play the role of husband and father that I did preparing for a career,” he wrote, “the time would have been infinitely better invested.”

One of the McGoverns’ children, Teresa, died in 1994 after a long battle with alcoholism. Afterward, McGovern channeled his grief into the book “Terry: My Daughter’s Life-and-Death Struggle with Alcoholism,” in which he wrote candidly about the family’s struggles to help Terry achieve sobriety.

McGovern later acknowledged in his 2011 book, “What It Means to Be a Democrat,” that Terry’s death plunged him “headlong into a deep depression” for which he was treated at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore. In that same book, he wrote that while losing a presidential election is difficult, “it is a skinned elbow next to the irreparable pain of losing a child.”

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In 1956, McGovern ran for and won a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. He served two terms and then ran for the Senate, but he lost a close race to incumbent Republican Karl Mundt.



John F. Kennedy made a joint campaign appearance with McGovern at the Corn Palace in Mitchell during the 1960 campaign. After Kennedy left the city, according to McGovern, Kennedy remarked to his brother, Robert, “I think we just cost that nice guy a Senate seat.” Kennedy was referring to the conservative Republican bent of South Dakota, which ran counter to the message preached by Kennedy during his presidential bid.

Following the loss to Mundt, McGovern was appointed by President Kennedy to run the new Food for Peace program. It was a fitting post for McGovern, who had seen firsthand the scourge of hunger in war-torn Europe and was urging the use of U.S.agricultural surpluses to help feed the world.

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In 1964, McGovern voted in favor of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution that gave President Lyndon Johnson the authority to escalate U.S.military involvement in Vietnam. McGovern later said he was misled as to the purpose of the resolution, and he became a vehement critic of the war.



“… I was so convinced that Vietnam was a looming catastrophe that for me it became what one staff member described as ‘a magnificent obsession,’ ” McGovern wrote. “… My anguish over this issue was the driving force of my public career and the constant topic of my private conversation for an entire decade.”

McGovern traveled multiple times to Vietnam, and in 1970 he sponsored the unsuccessful McGovern-Hatfield amendment, which sought to end U.S.military involvement in Vietnam by congressional action.

In support of the McGovern-Hatfield amendment, McGovern delivered a speech on Sept. 1, 1970, that became one of his most famous.

“Every senator in the chamber is partly responsible for sending 50,000 young Americans to an early grave,” he said during the speech. “This chamber reeks of blood.”

George McGovern | Come Home America
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They were called the 'Greatest Generation' for good reason.

They may be called the Greatest Generation by Tom Brokaw, but don't forget it was they who gave birth to the beatniks, the hippies and the leftist, revolutionary counter-culture generation, the effects of which we are still suffering from today.

That generation may have endured the depression and defeated world-wide Fascism, but they could easily be considered as parental failures which has had a much more profound effect on the future of America than those other things.
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Before we enshrine McGovern as St. George, let's remember that his 1972 run for the Presidency resulted in one of the worst defeats in our history. He only garnered 17 electoral votes.
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Before we enshrine McGovern as St. George, let's remember that his 1972 run for the Presidency resulted in one of the worst defeats in our history. He only garnered 17 electoral votes.
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“Every senator in the chamber is partly responsible for sending 50,000 young Americans to an early grave,” he said during the speech. “This chamber reeks of blood.”

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They were called the 'Greatest Generation' for good reason.

They may be called the Greatest Generation by Tom Brokaw, but don't forget it was they who gave birth to the beatniks, the hippies and the leftist, revolutionary counter-culture generation, the effects of which we are still suffering from today.

That generation may have endured the depression and defeated world-wide Fascism, but they could easily be considered as parental failures which has had a much more profound effect on the future of America than those other things.
The Vietnam War and the draft gave birth to the beatniks, the hippies and the leftist, revolutionary counter-culture generation.

I was raised by a mother and father from that Greatest Generation. My father enlisted after Pearl Harbor, became a paratrooper in the 11th Airborne, and served in the Pacific theater.

My dad told me not to enlist and was vehemently opposed to the Vietnam War.
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Now Democrats call our troops terrorists and cold blooded killers, so McGovern, the first real Neo-Marxist Dem Candidate for a major US political office is leaving this world proud of how far Dems have "progressed"

Well done!
He did vote for the gulf of tonkin resolution.
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It makes a difference.
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Hey Einstein...WHO pays for THIS?



Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
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Hey Einstein...WHO pays for THIS?



Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
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Forcible redistribution prevents war? Whatever you say genius.
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Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
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Forcible redistribution prevents war? Whatever you say genius.
I didn't say that! I asked WHO pays for THIS?



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And who is going to pay for those seeds as well as the tools and labor required to dig the wells? Voluntary contributions or forcible theft from people that earned the means to buy their own seeds?

It makes a difference.
It makes all the difference in the world. Literally.
Hey Einstein...WHO pays for THIS?



Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
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What does this have to do with the price of a flagon of rice?
I'm no warfare/welfare state proponent.
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Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
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What does this have to do with the price of a flagon of rice?
I'm no warfare/welfare state proponent.
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