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No matter how much the whinyasstittybaby conservatives rage at the liberals for being right, it still doesn't change the facts. There were no WMD found in Iraq, beyond a few forgotten rusty shells. Bush lied, and the conservatives here are still slobbering over Bush's anus in gratitude for all the lies Bush told them.

Don't blubber about what some Democrat said, because we all agree some Democrats were asshats as well. Don't deflect by talking about 1992, or by making up idiot conspiracy theories of how all the weapons were magically shipped to Syria. Don't talk about the yellowcake that everyone knew was there. Instead, show us those vast stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that Saddam was supposedly building, but which no one could find after Iraq was occupied. The reality-based community -- the liberals -- demands such actual evidence.

What's that? You conservatives have no such evidence? And you're now going to rage hysterically at the dirty liberals who asked for actual evidence? Fancy that.

There were no WMD. Bush lied. You conservatives could have just said "Yeah, Bush fooled me, along with a lot of Democrats". That would have been true, would have been no big deal, and would have showed you can think indepedently. But since most conservatives are pathologically incapable of ever admitting the dirty liberals were right about anything, they're now choosing to double down on the big lie, not caring how awful it makes them look. To remain in the conservative herd, they need to bleat the same lies as the rest of the herd, and no conservative herdbeast would risk banishment for telling the truth.

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Nice switcheroonie effort. But I guess it's time to highlight your duplicity.

The topic being discussed has not been WHETHER or not the Iraq war was justified by the presence of WMD there. The topic had been WHETHER there was WMD there.

There was.

And PART (not the totality of it, just PART) of the justification for invading the Saddam regime was indeed that he was believed to possess WMD.

You still NEEEEEEEED to deny that even though it has been proved.

selling point #1 for the authorization of power leading to the invasion was WMD.

other really scummy selling points were "he tried to kill my dad"
and trying to blame saddam for 9/11.

but only the worst gullible idiots bought that.


for me, it is a pleasure to rub it in.

you stupid arrogant neocons gambled and/or were fooled, and lost.

and you paid for it with blood and your budget, and you still did not learn.
YOUR talking pointlesses do not have the support of the actual record.

Here, then, is the HISTORICAL record of WHY Congress authorized the use of america's military in Iraq:

Quote:
Public Law 107-243
107th Congress

Joint Resolution



To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against
Iraq. <<NOTE: Oct. 16, 2002 - [H.J. Res. 114]>>

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and
illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition
of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the
national security of the United States and enforce United Nations
Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a
United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq
unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear,
biological, and chemical weapons
programs and the means to deliver
and develop them, and to end its support for international
terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States
intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that
Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale
biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear
weapons development
program that was much closer to producing a
nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire,
attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify
and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and
development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal
of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in Public Law 105-235 (August 14, 1998), Congress concluded that
Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened
vital United States interests and international peace and security,
declared Iraq to be in ``material and unacceptable breach of its
international obligations'' and urged the President ``to take
appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant
laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its
international obligations'';

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of
the United States and international peace and security in the
Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach
of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing
to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons
capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and
supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution of the United Nations
Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its
civilian population thereby threatening international peace

[[Page 116 STAT. 1499]]

and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or
account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq,
including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property
wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and
willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations
and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing
hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States,
including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush
and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and
Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the
United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for
attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including
the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in
Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist
organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and
safety of United States citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001,
underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of
weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist
organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of
mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either
employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United
States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international
terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that
would result to the United States and its citizens from such an
attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend
itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes
the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security
Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions
and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten
international peace and security, including the development of
weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United
Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security
Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population
in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688
(1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations
in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution
949 (1994);

Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq
Resolution (Public Law 102-1), Congress has authorized the President
``to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations
Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve
implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664,
665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677'';

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it
``supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of
United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent
with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against

[[Page 116 STAT. 1500]]

Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1),'' that Iraq's repression of its
civilian population violates United Nations Security Council
Resolution 688 and ``constitutes a continuing threat to the peace,
security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,'' and that
Congress, ``supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the
goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688'';

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed
the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United
States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi
regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to
replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United
States to ``work with the United Nations Security Council to meet
our common challenge'' posed by Iraq and to ``work for the necessary
resolutions,'' while also making clear that ``the Security Council
resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and
security will be met, or action will be unavoidable'';

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on
terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist
groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction
in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and
other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it
is in the national security interests of the United States and in
furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations
Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use
of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on
terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested
by the President to take the necessary actions against international
terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,
organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or
aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or
harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take
all appropriate actions against international terrorists and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or
persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist
attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such
persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take
action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism
against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint
resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law
107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to
restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region:
Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress <<NOTE: Authorization for Use of Military
Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002. 50 USC 1541 note.>> assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This joint resolution may be cited as the ``Authorization for Use of
Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002''.

[[Page 116 STAT. 1501]]

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.

The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the
President to--
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security
Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq
and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security
Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay,
evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies
with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) Authorization.--The President is authorized to use the Armed
Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and
appropriate in order to--
(1) defend the national security of the United States
against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) Presidential Determination.--In connection with the exercise of
the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President
shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible,
but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make
available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the
President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or
other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately
protect the national security of the United States against the
continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to
enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent
with the United States and other countries continuing to take
the necessary actions against international terrorist and
terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations,
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the
terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.--
(1) Specific statutory authorization.--Consistent with
section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress
declares that this section is intended to constitute specific
statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of
the War Powers Resolution.
(2) Applicability of other requirements.--Nothing in this
joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers
Resolution.

SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.

(a) <<NOTE: President.>> Reports.--The President shall, at least
once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant
to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the
exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning
for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are
completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq
Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338).

[[Page 116 STAT. 1502]]

(b) Single Consolidated Report.--To the extent that the submission
of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission
of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution
otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting
requirements of the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148), all such
reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the
Congress.
(c) Rule of Construction.--To the extent that the information
required by section 3 of the Authorization for Use of Military Force
Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) is included in the report
required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the
requirements of section 3 of such resolution.

Approved October 16, 2002.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY--H.J. Res. 114 (S.J. Res. 45) (S.J. Res. 46):
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOUSE REPORTS: No. 107-721 (Comm. on International Relations).
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 148 (2002):
Oct. 8, 9, considered in House.
Oct. 10, considered and passed House and Senate.
WEEKLY COMPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, Vol. 38 (2002):
Oct. 16, Presidential remarks and statement.
-- http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-10...107publ243.htm

That's a shitload of WHEREAS clauses that don't deal exclusively with the WMD problem.

So, yeah. The historical record firmly shuts down your load of crap.

But I always appreciate your more dramatic fails.
thanks for posting this "thing" in its entirety.


supports my point, why do you even argue?

threat to the security of the United States by WMD is practically 90% of the content of the Whereases

i did not mention the other flimsy points, like "al qaeda in iraq", which is another lie.

and the brutalization of the iraqi people by saddam, because:

no one actually cared that much to send the us military to help the iraqis.
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No matter how much the whinyasstittybaby conservatives rage at the liberals for being right, it still doesn't change the facts. There were no WMD found in Iraq, beyond a few forgotten rusty shells. Bush lied, and the conservatives here are still slobbering over Bush's anus in gratitude for all the lies Bush told them.

Don't blubber about what some Democrat said, because we all agree some Democrats were asshats as well. Don't deflect by talking about 1992, or by making up idiot conspiracy theories of how all the weapons were magically shipped to Syria. Don't talk about the yellowcake that everyone knew was there. Instead, show us those vast stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons that Saddam was supposedly building, but which no one could find after Iraq was occupied. The reality-based community -- the liberals -- demands such actual evidence.

What's that? You conservatives have no such evidence? And you're now going to rage hysterically at the dirty liberals who asked for actual evidence? Fancy that.

There were no WMD. Bush lied. You conservatives could have just said "Yeah, Bush fooled me, along with a lot of Democrats". That would have been true, would have been no big deal, and would have showed you can think indepedently. But since most conservatives are pathologically incapable of ever admitting the dirty liberals were right about anything, they're now choosing to double down on the big lie, not caring how awful it makes them look. To remain in the conservative herd, they need to bleat the same lies as the rest of the herd, and no conservative herdbeast would risk banishment for telling the truth.
Just cherry picking the facts? No surprise there.
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Nice switcheroonie effort. But I guess it's time to highlight your duplicity.

The topic being discussed has not been WHETHER or not the Iraq war was justified by the presence of WMD there. The topic had been WHETHER there was WMD there.

There was.

And PART (not the totality of it, just PART) of the justification for invading the Saddam regime was indeed that he was believed to possess WMD.

You still NEEEEEEEED to deny that even though it has been proved.

selling point #1 for the authorization of power leading to the invasion was WMD.

other really scummy selling points were "he tried to kill my dad"
and trying to blame saddam for 9/11.

but only the worst gullible idiots bought that.


for me, it is a pleasure to rub it in.

you stupid arrogant neocons gambled and/or were fooled, and lost.

and you paid for it with blood and your budget, and you still did not learn.
Saddam murdered over a million of his neighbors over a 25-mile stretch of beachfront property that he wanted. He didn't get it, although he fought for 10 years to have it. Our troops uncovered countless mass grave sites where Saddam's henchmen exterminated dozens of villages in the area of Iraq owned by people of Kurdish ancestry. The estimation came in at 300k. Do the math. 1,300,000+/25 years in power = 52,000 people a year killed by one of the bloodiest rulers of contemporary times.

When the oldest judicial system in the world sentenced Saddam Hussein to death it executed him. That ended the sociopathic man's 52,000 people a year killing spree.

This was actually having nothing to do with the neocons, but if we could take credit, we did the world a favor, and you are jealously smearing all Republicans because the most ancient civilization in the world got rid of a tyrant.

Shame on you.

typical scumbag move, expected.

you know no shame.
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fuck, i am kind of seriously discussing with scumbags.

i should really not do that.
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fuck, i am kind of seriously discussing with scumbags.

i should really not do that.
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Just cherry picking the facts? No surprise there.
It always still comes back to the fact that the chemical and biological weapons were not there. Hate reality all you want, but reality will still display its overwhelming liberal bias.

However, your herd demands you repeat the standard lies, so you will do so, without any remorse. By now, you've probably convinced yourself that God Himself justifies the lies, being that they further the holy cause of hating the dirty liberals.
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fuck, i am kind of seriously discussing with scumbags.

i should really not do that.
You really should stick to discussing topics with your pet dog, you have a better chance with your yarns. just sayin'
it's great.

you actually think you have a leg to stand on.

where are my lies?

get to work, link them.
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selling point #1 for the authorization of power leading to the invasion was WMD.

other really scummy selling points were "he tried to kill my dad"
and trying to blame saddam for 9/11.

but only the worst gullible idiots bought that.


for me, it is a pleasure to rub it in.

you stupid arrogant neocons gambled and/or were fooled, and lost.

and you paid for it with blood and your budget, and you still did not learn.
Saddam murdered over a million of his neighbors over a 25-mile stretch of beachfront property that he wanted. He didn't get it, although he fought for 10 years to have it. Our troops uncovered countless mass grave sites where Saddam's henchmen exterminated dozens of villages in the area of Iraq owned by people of Kurdish ancestry. The estimation came in at 300k. Do the math. 1,300,000+/25 years in power = 52,000 people a year killed by one of the bloodiest rulers of contemporary times.

When the oldest judicial system in the world sentenced Saddam Hussein to death it executed him. That ended the sociopathic man's 52,000 people a year killing spree.

This was actually having nothing to do with the neocons, but if we could take credit, we did the world a favor, and you are jealously smearing all Republicans because the most ancient civilization in the world got rid of a tyrant.

Shame on you.
typical scumbag move, expected.

you know no shame.
It beats your jealousy and annoyance that President Bush prevented further attacks on America for the next 7 years, madam.
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So how many dems believe they didn't?
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Saddam murdered over a million of his neighbors over a 25-mile stretch of beachfront property that he wanted. He didn't get it, although he fought for 10 years to have it. Our troops uncovered countless mass grave sites where Saddam's henchmen exterminated dozens of villages in the area of Iraq owned by people of Kurdish ancestry. The estimation came in at 300k. Do the math. 1,300,000+/25 years in power = 52,000 people a year killed by one of the bloodiest rulers of contemporary times.

When the oldest judicial system in the world sentenced Saddam Hussein to death it executed him. That ended the sociopathic man's 52,000 people a year killing spree.

This was actually having nothing to do with the neocons, but if we could take credit, we did the world a favor, and you are jealously smearing all Republicans because the most ancient civilization in the world got rid of a tyrant.

Shame on you.
typical scumbag move, expected.

you know no shame.
It beats your jealousy and annoyance that President Bush prevented further attacks on America for the next 7 years, madam.

are you on painkillers?
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Nice switcheroonie effort. But I guess it's time to highlight your duplicity.

The topic being discussed has not been WHETHER or not the Iraq war was justified by the presence of WMD there. The topic had been WHETHER there was WMD there.

There was.

And PART (not the totality of it, just PART) of the justification for invading the Saddam regime was indeed that he was believed to possess WMD.

You still NEEEEEEEED to deny that even though it has been proved.

selling point #1 for the authorization of power leading to the invasion was WMD.

other really scummy selling points were "he tried to kill my dad"
and trying to blame saddam for 9/11.

but only the worst gullible idiots bought that.


for me, it is a pleasure to rub it in.

you stupid arrogant neocons gambled and/or were fooled, and lost.

and you paid for it with blood and your budget, and you still did not learn.
Saddam murdered over a million of his neighbors over a 25-mile stretch of beachfront property that he wanted. He didn't get it, although he fought for 10 years to have it. Our troops uncovered countless mass grave sites where Saddam's henchmen exterminated dozens of villages in the area of Iraq owned by people of Kurdish ancestry. The estimation came in at 300k. Do the math. 1,300,000+/25 years in power = 52,000 people a year killed by one of the bloodiest rulers of contemporary times.

When the oldest judicial system in the world sentenced Saddam Hussein to death it executed him. That ended the sociopathic man's 52,000 people a year killing spree.

This was actually having nothing to do with the neocons, but if we could take credit, we did the world a favor, and you are jealously smearing all Republicans because the most ancient civilization in the world got rid of a tyrant.

Shame on you.
Was that the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th reason that Bush used as a pretext for starting a budget-busting war w/ no end-point?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:38 PM
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any rw on this thread ever heard of the PNAC? If not, why not?
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