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(smile) Sorry kid you don't get to reinterpret her words, this and you ain't my first rodeo.
Grow up. Everyone knows you got caught being a lying parrot. You can't change that by waving your hands around and desperately trying to evade.

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Go get the context of each quote or move along......this is a very weak tack,even for a moron like you.
You lied about Sanger. You got caught red-handed repeating a long list of some outright fabrications. Before, you could use ignorance as an excuse, but no longer. You are now choosing to deliberately lie. You will continue to repeat the same debunked lies somewhere else in the future, and you will continue to tongue the rectums of the people who fed you the lies.

My point is made by Amazed. I have never, not even once in dozens of debunkings, seen even one pro-lifer admit that they got fooled into parroting lies. Instead, every single one of them responds by openly choosing to side with the lying ratfuks. Everything any pro-lifer says should always be initially assumed to be a fabrication, unless indepedent evidence shows otherwise. Being the ultimate moral relativists, they believe God has given them a free pass to lie for the cause, thus they lie for the cause every time they get the chance.
Too funny, you are unabe to even get ONE of those qwuotes in context to "prove" your asertions and choose to simply ru about the forum screaming "I won"!!!!!

She was a eugenics devotee.

Through the Negro Project she sought to limit Black births because were a detriment, a drag on Society.
She chose to speak at a KKK gathering.

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Mitt Romney used to be a big supporter of Planned Parenthood.

Until he flip-flopped.
Flip-flopped as did Obama on gay marriage, or did his position evolve as did Obama on gay marriage?
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They are! They are still following Margaret Sanger.
Crack_Fable would have his racist liberal world view wrecked if he knew the history behind the truth you just posted there. He doesn't, and he will never be man enough to verify it, either.
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Just another example of how the GOP has gone completely off their rockers to pander to the radical right wing extremists.

A GOP rep from Kansas (shocker) states that planned parenthood are racist baby murderers

Republican Rep. calls Planned Parenthood ‘racist’ baby murderers | The Raw Story
That is how it started dip ****.

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They are! They are still following Margaret Sanger.
MLK, DuBois, Bethune and all the black leaders of the day held Sanger in very high regard. Were they also trying to genocide the black race, or were those leaders just really stupid dupes of Sanger?

Only the worst pro-life race-baiters still trot out the "Sanger was a racist!" idiot lie. And to do so, they'll cut-and-paste a standard mixture of out-of-context quotes and many outright fabrications. And when they get called on that BS, they retreat and then parrot the exact same list later, even though they know it's a pack of lies. I've only watched it happen dozens of times. Pro-lifers think that God has given then a free pass on lying for the cause, therefore pro-lifers will lie for the cause.
She respected and did not tolerate bigotry by anyone on her staff , however she did feel lighter skinned races were superior to dark skinned races. Many history books support her views of racism. Pretty much common knowledge. She was into eugenics and wanted all retarded people to be sterilized. She was not for euthanasia.
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Here are her quotes.
Ah, more pro-life parrots-of-lies arrive. And they're not even smart enough to read the stinkin' thread first.

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Quote 1 On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
A flat out lie by the pro-lifers. A big stinkin' fabrication. Sanger never said that, no one ever said that. And it won't matter. They know it's a lie, and they don't care. They'll still endlessly repeat it.

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Quote 2 On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.
Third-hand reinterpretations don't really count for anything.

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Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
First, that's not racist. Second, it's a fabrication. Here's the "Plan for Peace". There's nothing about licenses in it.

Stalking the Wild Taboo - Margaret Sanger: A Plan for Peace

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Go read the rest .. The leader of planned parenthood was a racist.. But go ahead and defend that institution ..
So, you gave us two fabrications and one thirdhand reinterpretion.

PP and Sanger need no defending. You do, given that you're so unapologetically dishonest (if you condemn your source for lying to you, I will retract that). You appear to be just another pro-lifer who thinks that God has given him a free pass to lie for the cause.
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Sanger instituted The Negro Project to abort black children whom she considered inferior and a detriment to society.
An outright lie. Again, MLK, Bethune, DuBois and all the black leaders of the era were big supporters of Sanger and that project.

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She was an abject devotee to Eugenics,
Er, no. She was vehemently opposed to Nazi eugenics and any exterminations. She did think the state should prevent the scum-of-the-earth from breeding, but that was a common view of that era.

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and a supporter of specifically Malthusian Eugenics.
No. Malthus said population as a whole has to be limited. That's not Sanger. She just said defectives should be limited, a very different thing.

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She chose to speak ata KKK rally.
Sanger, a Catholic, bravely risked her life to speak to a KKK women's group about birth control. That's how devoted to women's lives she was. It's very dishonest to insinuate that indicates some kind of support of the KKK policies.

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You people can dance, dodge and weave...but one consorts with people like oneself.
We don't evade. We directly point out that you keep lying about Sanger.
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Sanger instituted The Negro Project to abort black children whom she considered inferior and a detriment to society.

She was an abject devotee to Eugenics, and a supporter of specifically Malthusian Eugenics.

She chose to speak ata KKK rally.

You people can dance, dodge and weave...but one consorts with people like oneself.
LInks? Proof? Anything like that I can't tear apart in about five minutes...
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Too funny, you are unabe to even get ONE of those qwuotes
Another lie. I gave you one link to one original source that showed the quote wasn't there, and thus proved it was fabricated. One link is all you deserved, given the history I have with your type. I could have provided detailed sources and long context to every single thing ... and it wouldn't have changed things. You'd simply have found another reason to evade.

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in context to "prove" your asertions and choose to simply ru about the forum screaming "I won"!!!!!
Several more of them are here. Look in the "misattributed" section.

Margaret Sanger - Wikiquote

Before I waste any more time on you, you need to demonstrate that you're acting in good faith, that you can be convinced by evidence and are willing to correct your errors. Given that links have been given to prove that several of the quotes you copied were fabrications or misattributions, you need to admit that, and that your source lied to you about them.

Once you demonstrate your good faith by doing so, I will be willing to spend the time giving a detailed documentation of everything. But if you are unwilling to demonstrate your good faith, then there's no point in me wasting time trying to educate an unrepenetant propagandist.
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Just another example of how the GOP has gone completely off their rockers to pander to the radical right wing extremists.

A GOP rep from Kansas (shocker) states that planned parenthood are racist baby murderers

Republican Rep. calls Planned Parenthood ‘racist’ baby murderers | The Raw Story
Unfortunate use of words. First of all he is correct about the racial aspect of Planned Parenthood. But I suppose once again you and the left will tell us to forget the roots of the organization.

Here is a web site that deals with the issue. BTW the"weeds" quote is not one of Sanger's no matter what the site may say, as far as I know: BlackGenocide.org | Planned Parenthood

His use of the word murder is unfortunate because it gives people like you, who could care less and want to make an issue out of the killing the unborn, a sounding board. Legally the killing of the unborn child is not murder because the courts have ruled it so. But morally it is murder in that the purposeful taking of innnocent life has always been called murder. But those words are too harsh for those who want to do what they want with no condemnation whatsoever.

Here are some Sanger quotes, there are many and a good many I do agree.

The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.
Margaret Sanger

When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become the foundation of a new race.
Margaret Sanger

Women of the working class, especially wage workers, should not have more than two children at most. The average working man can support no more and and the average working woman can take care of no more in decent fashion.
Margaret Sanger

A free race cannot be born of slave mothers.
Margaret Sanger

Thus we see that the second and third children have a very good chance to live through the first year. Children arriving later have less and less chance, until the twelfth has hardly any chance at all to live twelve months. [npg] This does not complete the case, however, for those who care to go farther into the subject will find that many of those who live for a year die before they reach the age of five. [npg] Many, perhaps, will think it idle to go farther in demonstrating the immorality of large families, but since there is still an abundance of proof at hand, it may be offered for the sake of those who find difficulty in adjusting old-fashioned ideas to the facts. The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it. The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate, and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five, operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members. Chapter 5, "The Wickedness of Creating Large Families."

In passing, we should here recognize the difficulties presented by the idea of 'fit' and 'unfit.' Who is to decide this question? The grosser, the more obvious, the undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind. But among the writings of the representative Eugenists one cannot ignore the distinct middle-class bias that prevails. Chapter 8, "Dangers of Cradle Competition" (also quoted in Charles Valenza, "Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?" Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44.)


Eugenics aims to arouse the enthusiasm or the interest of the people in the welfare of the world fifteen or twenty generations in the future. On its negative side it shows us that we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all—that the wealth of individuals and of states is being diverted from the development and the progress of human expression and civilization. Chapter 8, "Dangers of Cradle Competition"
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Here's some more on Sanger. Apparently she wasn't well educated and she leaned more towards Dawinism Eugentics.

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Here's Sanger's description of the KKK women's auxiliary speech. After reading it, those who implied Sanger was a KKK supporter should feel particularly ashamed.

(The worst of the pro-life scumbags will pile on the lies by adding a photoshopped image of Sanger with hooded men and burning crosses, an image they will pretend is real.)

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All the world over, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Helsingfors, I have found women's psychology in the matter of childbearing essentially the same, no matter what the class, religion, or economic status. Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing.

My letter of instruction told me what train to take, to walk from the station two blocks straight ahead, then two to the left. I would see a sedan parked in front of a restaurant. If I wished I could have ten minutes for a cup of coffee or bite to eat, because no supper would be served later.

I obeyed orders implicitly, walked the blocks, saw the car, found the restaurant, went in and ordered some cocoa, stayed my allotted ten minutes, then approached the car hesitatingly and spoke to the driver. I received no reply. She might have been totally deaf as far as I was 1 concerned. Mustering up my courage, I climbed in and settled back. Without a turn of the head, a smile, or a word to let me know I was right, she stepped on the self-starter. For fifteen minutes we wound around the streets. It must have been towards six in the afternoon. We took this lonely lane and that through the woods, and an hour later pulled up in a vacant space near a body of water beside a large, unpainted, barnish building.

My driver got out, talked with several other women, then said to me severely, "Wait here. We will come for you." She disappeared. More cars buzzed up the dusty road into the parking place. Occasionally men dropped wives who walked hurriedly and silently within. This went on mystically until night closed down and I was alone in the dark. A few gleams came through chinks in the window curtains. Even though it was May, I grew chillier and chillier.

After three hours I was summoned at last and entered a bright corridor filled with wraps. As someone came out of the hall I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses. I waited another twenty minutes. It was warmer and I did not mind so much. Eventually the lights were switched on, the audience seated itself, and I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak.

Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabulary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand.

In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were finally through it was too late to return to New York. Under a curfew law everything in Silver Lake shut at nine o'clock. I could not even send a telegram to let my family know whether I had been thrown in the river or was being held incommunicado. It was nearly one before I reached Trenton, and I spent the night in a hotel.
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Here are her quotes.
Ah, more pro-life parrots-of-lies arrive. And they're not even smart enough to read the stinkin' thread first.

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"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
A flat out lie by the pro-lifers. A big stinkin' fabrication. Sanger never said that, no one ever said that. And it won't matter. They know it's a lie, and they don't care. They'll still endlessly repeat it.



Third-hand reinterpretations don't really count for anything.

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Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932
First, that's not racist. Second, it's a fabrication. Here's the "Plan for Peace". There's nothing about licenses in it.

Stalking the Wild Taboo - Margaret Sanger: A Plan for Peace

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Go read the rest .. The leader of planned parenthood was a racist.. But go ahead and defend that institution ..
So, you gave us two fabrications and one thirdhand reinterpretion.

PP and Sanger need no defending. You do, given that you're so unapologetically dishonest (if you condemn your source for lying to you, I will retract that). You appear to be just another pro-lifer who thinks that God has given him a free pass to lie for the cause.
Go back and read what I posted. I said the weed quote was not Sanger's. You definitely lack reading comphehesion or are just lying. OK throw out those two and the rest are equally damning. Just like a liberal state something that isn't true then get all high and mighty as if that will make their incorrect BS any more true or more believed.

Sanger was a college drop out whose only ability was to marry wealthy.
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Here's Sanger's description of the KKK women's auxiliary speech. After reading it, those who implied Sanger was a KKK supporter should feel particularly ashamed.

(The worst of the pro-life scumbags will pile on the lies by adding a photoshopped image of Sanger with hooded men and burning crosses, an image they will pretend is real.)

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All the world over, in Penang and Skagway, in El Paso and Helsingfors, I have found women's psychology in the matter of childbearing essentially the same, no matter what the class, religion, or economic status. Always to me any aroused group was a good group, and therefore I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey, one of the weirdest experiences I had in lecturing.

My letter of instruction told me what train to take, to walk from the station two blocks straight ahead, then two to the left. I would see a sedan parked in front of a restaurant. If I wished I could have ten minutes for a cup of coffee or bite to eat, because no supper would be served later.

I obeyed orders implicitly, walked the blocks, saw the car, found the restaurant, went in and ordered some cocoa, stayed my allotted ten minutes, then approached the car hesitatingly and spoke to the driver. I received no reply. She might have been totally deaf as far as I was 1 concerned. Mustering up my courage, I climbed in and settled back. Without a turn of the head, a smile, or a word to let me know I was right, she stepped on the self-starter. For fifteen minutes we wound around the streets. It must have been towards six in the afternoon. We took this lonely lane and that through the woods, and an hour later pulled up in a vacant space near a body of water beside a large, unpainted, barnish building.

My driver got out, talked with several other women, then said to me severely, "Wait here. We will come for you." She disappeared. More cars buzzed up the dusty road into the parking place. Occasionally men dropped wives who walked hurriedly and silently within. This went on mystically until night closed down and I was alone in the dark. A few gleams came through chinks in the window curtains. Even though it was May, I grew chillier and chillier.

After three hours I was summoned at last and entered a bright corridor filled with wraps. As someone came out of the hall I saw through the door dim figures parading with banners and illuminated crosses. I waited another twenty minutes. It was warmer and I did not mind so much. Eventually the lights were switched on, the audience seated itself, and I was escorted to the platform, was introduced, and began to speak.

Never before had I looked into a sea of faces like these. I was sure that if I uttered one word, such as abortion, outside the usual vocabulary of these women they would go off into hysteria. And so my address that night had to be in the most elementary terms, as though I were trying to make children understand.

In the end, through simple illustrations I believed I had accomplished my purpose. A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered. The conversation went on and on, and when we were finally through it was too late to return to New York. Under a curfew law everything in Silver Lake shut at nine o'clock. I could not even send a telegram to let my family know whether I had been thrown in the river or was being held incommunicado. It was nearly one before I reached Trenton, and I spent the night in a hotel.
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During Sanger's time the KKK did garner some respectibilty especially with the left wing. So it is not surprising or telling she would speak at the KKK. Doesn't really matter at all and is just a distraction, that is all.
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