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Old 07-23-2012, 10:47 AM
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Switzerland has the highest Ratio of Gun VS people .

But has one of the lowest murder rate. I believe it is most people know everyone has a gun and knows how to use it because it is mandatory for men to be trained


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But has one of the lowest murder rate. I believe it is most people know everyone has a gun and knows how to use it because it is mandatory for men to be trained


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Maybe we can get the left to continue to champion the single parent household. That should help.........
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It is because of the Swiss attitudes and such not becuase they own guns and are trained. Most of those guns are among the dust bunnies in the back of the closet.
Did a bunch of research on this once and also saw a segment on PBS about it.

The swiss also have a very low poverty rate which I think has more bearing on the low murder rate than having guns.
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It is because of the Swiss attitudes and such not becuase they own guns and are trained. Most of those guns are among the dust bunnies in the back of the closet.
Did a bunch of research on this once and also saw a segment on PBS about it.

The swiss also have a very low poverty rate which I think has more bearing on the low murder rate than having guns.
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"What America can learn from Switzerland is that the best way to reduce gun misuse is to promote responsible gun ownership."

By David B. Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli (American Rifleman, February 1990)

In the right to bear arms debate, pro-gun Americans point to Switzerland, where almost every adult male is legally required to possess a gun. One of the few nations with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States, Switzerland has virtually no gun crime. Therefore, argue the pro-gunners, America doesn't need gun control.

Yet Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI), in its brochure "Handgun Facts," points to Switzerland as one of the advanced nations with strict handgun laws." The brochure states that all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit. Gun crime in Switzerland is virtually non-existent. Therefore, concludes Handgun Control, America needs strict gun control.
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...all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit.
That's also the case in California, where the use of firearms in the commission of a crime is now a thing of the past...
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...all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit.
That's also the case in California, where the use of firearms in the commission of a crime is now a thing of the past...
I'll bet the Swiss don't hold gun shows where one can buy without a permit or background check.
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But has one of the lowest murder rate. I believe it is most people know everyone has a gun and knows how to use it because it is mandatory for men to be trained


BBC News | EUROPE | Switzerland and the gun
So the violence in places like Chicago is a result of the gangs not being sufficiently well armed?

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"What America can learn from Switzerland is that the best way to reduce gun misuse is to promote responsible gun ownership."

By David B. Kopel and Stephen D'Andrilli (American Rifleman, February 1990)

In the right to bear arms debate, pro-gun Americans point to Switzerland, where almost every adult male is legally required to possess a gun. One of the few nations with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership than the United States, Switzerland has virtually no gun crime. Therefore, argue the pro-gunners, America doesn't need gun control.

Yet Handgun Control, Inc. (HCI), in its brochure "Handgun Facts," points to Switzerland as one of the advanced nations with strict handgun laws." The brochure states that all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit. Gun crime in Switzerland is virtually non-existent. Therefore, concludes Handgun Control, America needs strict gun control.
Since we already require background checks, and assuming that their background check leads to permit approval, what point are you trying to make?
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...all guns are registered, and handgun purchases require a background check and a permit.
That's also the case in California, where the use of firearms in the commission of a crime is now a thing of the past...
I'll bet the Swiss don't hold gun shows where one can buy without a permit or background check.
Don't know about the Swiss but that's NOT the case in California. All firearm sales must go through a licensed FFL holder (Penal Code 26500).

Further, across the nation, only .7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. This figure is further supported by the National Institute of Justice, who found that less than 1% of "crime guns" where obtained at gun shows. Gun dealers are federally licensed and are bound to stringent rules for sales that apply equally whether they are dealing from a storefront or a gun show.

So, pretty monumental fail so far. Want to try again?
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But has one of the lowest murder rate. I believe it is most people know everyone has a gun and knows how to use it because it is mandatory for men to be trained


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So the violence in places like Chicago is a result of the gangs not being sufficiently well armed?

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But has one of the lowest murder rate. I believe it is most people know everyone has a gun and knows how to use it because it is mandatory for men to be trained


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So the violence in places like Chicago is a result of the gangs not being sufficiently well armed?

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Hey, looks like you've drawn the dumbest conclusion of the day...so far.
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That's also the case in California, where the use of firearms in the commission of a crime is now a thing of the past...
I'll bet the Swiss don't hold gun shows where one can buy without a permit or background check.
Don't know about the Swiss but that's NOT the case in California. All firearm sales must go through a licensed FFL holder (Penal Code 26500).

Further, across the nation, only .7% of convicts bought their firearms at gun shows, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. This figure is further supported by the National Institute of Justice, who found that less than 1% of "crime guns" where obtained at gun shows. Gun dealers are federally licensed and are bound to stringent rules for sales that apply equally whether they are dealing from a storefront or a gun show.

So, pretty monumental fail so far. Want to try again?
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It's rather difficult to compare Switzerland, which has a largely homogenous population, with the U.S. which is the most ethnically, culturally, and economically diverse nation in the world.
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So the violence in places like Chicago is a result of the gangs not being sufficiently well armed?

lol
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More like the stupid Interstate, 4-6 lanes of inanity at 70MPH...
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