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List of things that require photo identification

Some are federal, but most are state laws or activities where I live.

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above

Of the above, numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not state law but at a business owners discretion. By law, they can demand it. Numbers 15, 16 and 25 are usually applied using common sense, as in if you appear to be too young the business can demand proof and refuse to engage in the activity if one cannot provide proof of the required age law.

All of the above are things that occur on a daily basis but not necessarily to everybody.
Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting. The really interesting part is that it is usually liberals claiming that it is conservatives attempting to prevent people from voting when a photo ID law would apply equally to both liberals and conservatives. Heck, they would apply equally regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, weight, sexual orientation, income, health, disability, race, wealth, intelligence, marital status, attractiveness, employment status and everything else. Is there something wrong with preventing the dead, the illegal aliens, the young (under the age of suffrage) and other non-qualified people from voting just as we prevent them from engaging in the activities listed above?
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Please add state laws from your state that require photo ID to engage in certain activities.
For example, in Nevada a person under 21 is not allowed to stand and observe games of chance in a casino.
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Please add state laws from your state that require photo ID to engage in certain activities.
For example, in Nevada a person under 21 is not allowed to stand and observe games of chance in a casino.
Only #'s 7, 12, & 22 have Constitutional application; the right to vote has been held the PRESERVATIVE right from which others flow; in the case cited below the Court mentioned a Texas law that discouraged military members from voting:
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By forbidding a soldier ever to controvert the presumption of non-residence, the Texas Constitution imposes an invidious discrimination in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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I do not see voting as "an activity"; it is a fundamental right. I won't argue going into bars, casinos and building permits are.
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Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting.
Voting is a fundamental right, the activities you list, not; and the requirement by private sector entities is irrelevant, as the Constitution applies only to the public sector.

Although the Supreme Court has held that requiring an ID to vote is not un-Constitutional, it was done in the context that Federal law requires a jurisdiction to allow a voter to vote using a provisional ballot if he indeed has no ID.

It is clear to any objective, non-partisan observer, however, that ID requirements are an effort to discourage a portion of the population from voting. In addition, there is no evidence that voter fraud via identity is a problem; in fact, research has determined that voter fraud via identity is statistically non-existent.

Voter ID requirements are consequently a ‘solution’ in search of a problem.
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There is NO need for this law.

wasting tax payer money on a non problem isnt very conservative is it?
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Voting is a fundamental right, the activities you list, not; and the requirement by private sector entities is irrelevant, as the Constitution applies only to the public sector.
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The ones I listed have Constitutional aspects. And, one hard line right wing gripe is the intervention of the Federal government via "interstate commerce" decisions. None can compare with the fundamental right to vote.
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Please add state laws from your state that require photo ID to engage in certain activities.
For example, in Nevada a person under 21 is not allowed to stand and observe games of chance in a casino.
Only #'s 7, 12, & 22 have Constitutional application; the right to vote has been held the PRESERVATIVE right from which others flow; in the case cited below the Court mentioned a Texas law that discouraged military members from voting:
************************************************** *****
By forbidding a soldier ever to controvert the presumption of non-residence, the Texas Constitution imposes an invidious discrimination in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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I do not see voting as "an activity"; it is a fundamental right. I won't argue going into bars, casinos and building permits are.
It is a fundamental right for me to own a firearm or engage in free speech.
I am required to show a photo ID to purchase a firearm or acquire a permit to hold a rally/protest. If you don't believe me, show up on the Whitehouse lawn with a sign and a rifle and see what happens. Alternatively, you can attempt to walk into your local voting precinct with a displayed sign and gun, see what happens to you when you engage in that activity.
I am merely pointing out that states can and do pass photo ID laws.
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Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting.

Voting is a fundamental right, the activities you list, not;
and the requirement by private sector entities is irrelevant, as the Constitution applies only to the public sector.

Although the Supreme Court has held that requiring an ID to vote is not un-Constitutional, it was done in the context that Federal law requires a jurisdiction to allow a voter to vote using a provisional ballot if he indeed has no ID.

It is clear to any objective, non-partisan observer, however, that ID requirements are an effort to discourage a portion of the population from voting. In addition, there is no evidence that voter fraud via identity is a problem; in fact, research has determined that voter fraud via identity is statistically non-existent.

Voter ID requirements are consequently a ‘solution’ in search of a problem.
Peach disagrees with you on 7. 12 and 22.
Then, there are state constitutions also.

What portion of the population? I did specify equal application of the law.
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Please add state laws from your state that require photo ID to engage in certain activities.
For example, in Nevada a person under 21 is not allowed to stand and observe games of chance in a casino.
Only #'s 7, 12, & 22 have Constitutional application; the right to vote has been held the PRESERVATIVE right from which others flow; in the case cited below the Court mentioned a Texas law that discouraged military members from voting:
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By forbidding a soldier ever to controvert the presumption of non-residence, the Texas Constitution imposes an invidious discrimination in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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I do not see voting as "an activity"; it is a fundamental right. I won't argue going into bars, casinos and building permits are.
It is a fundamental right for me to own a firearm or engage in free speech.
I am required to show a photo ID to purchase a firearm or acquire a permit to hold a rally/protest. If you don't believe me, show up on the Whitehouse lawn with a sign and a rifle and see what happens. Alternatively, you can attempt to walk into your local voting precinct with a displayed sign and gun, see what happens to you when you engage in that activity.
I am merely pointing out that states can and do pass photo ID laws.
I listed 7,12, and 22 as having constitutional aspects. PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, FIREARMS, and TRIAL BY ONE'S PEERS. Photo ID is required for many daily activities; the right to vote however, is to some, apart from "going to the _____".
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wasting tax payer money on a non problem isnt very conservative is it?
I wasn't aware that it was an expense to taxpayers for me to provide a photo ID for most of the 25 items listed above.
Just for kicks and grins, tell me how numbers 10, 11 and 23 are an expense/waste of taxpayer money.
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Only #'s 7, 12, & 22 have Constitutional application; the right to vote has been held the PRESERVATIVE right from which others flow; in the case cited below the Court mentioned a Texas law that discouraged military members from voting:
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By forbidding a soldier ever to controvert the presumption of non-residence, the Texas Constitution imposes an invidious discrimination in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
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I do not see voting as "an activity"; it is a fundamental right. I won't argue going into bars, casinos and building permits are.
It is a fundamental right for me to own a firearm or engage in free speech.
I am required to show a photo ID to purchase a firearm or acquire a permit to hold a rally/protest. If you don't believe me, show up on the Whitehouse lawn with a sign and a rifle and see what happens. Alternatively, you can attempt to walk into your local voting precinct with a displayed sign and gun, see what happens to you when you engage in that activity.
I am merely pointing out that states can and do pass photo ID laws.
I listed 7,12, and 22 as having constitutional aspects. PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY, FIREARMS, and TRIAL BY ONE'S PEERS. Photo ID is required for many daily activities; the right to vote however, is to some, apart from "going to the _____".
And I pointed out that in spite of that constitutional aspect there are still photo ID laws that apply to those activities. Why is voting so different?
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Some are federal, but most are state laws or activities where I live.

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above

And people below the poverty line do how many of these things?
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Radical democrats want us to believe that there is a tribe of humans living among us who are unable to do any of those things but are desperate to vote. You almost gotta laugh.
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Radical democrats want us to believe that there is a tribe of humans living among us who are unable to do any of those things but are desperate to vote. You almost gotta laugh.
Idiot neo-cons imagine there are illegal aliens voting in droves and yet have never produced a single case of voter fraud that can't be solved with proper management of voter registration.

This is an IMAGINARY problem.
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