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Republicans going after Holder for Bush's "Gun Walking" policy - hilarious!
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02-09-2012, 06:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdean  Holder lied? No evidence. Just something you happen to know for a fact? Hilarious. Quote: New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress. On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."
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02-09-2012, 06:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdean As the Fast and Furious investigation enters its 10th month, the blame game grows more intense. “In this investigation, best of my knowledge, we didn’t let guns walk,” said Phoenix Chief Bill Newell. Newell testified he did nothing wrong, the former ATF director said he never read his memos. Holder claims he didn’t know about the operations’ “questionable tactics.” Justice Official Regrets Not Speaking Up About Federal Anti-Gunrunning Operation | Fox News In recent months, Breuer acknowledged he knew of a gunwalking operation called "Wide Receiver" begun under the Bush Administration. Breuer said he never informed Holder that gunwalking had been allowed, even after the controversy over Fast and Furious surfaced. The idea in Fast and Furious and other gunwalking operations conducted secretly by government agents in recent years was to try to see where the guns ended up, and catch the "big fish" of a Mexican drug cartel. According to law enforcement sources, Mexican officials were not in on the plan, and no arrests of top cartel members ever happened. More gunwalker questions for Attorney General Holder - CBS News Investigates - CBS News Republicans SCREAM that Obama and the Democrats keep blaming Bush. They don't admit that Bush's policies keep coming back to bite this country in the ass again and again. The new one Fast and Furious was run by the same outfit, same players, THEY KNEW they could not track the weapons in Mexico and made NO EFFORT to track them in the States, simply allowing the straw buyers to walk with the weapons. They also made no effort to involve the Mexican Government. Further Fast and Furious was apparently designed not to catch gun buyers but to flood weapons into Mexico so that the ATF which ran the operation could tell the FBI there was a problem in Arizona with gun regulations. he FBI reported the information from the ATF of hundreds of American weapons in mexican crime scenes. The ATF never told the FBI they let the guns go there. The FBI pushed for stronger gun laws on the mistaken belief that illegal buys were happening because of light laws not because the ATF was allowing the purchases and not stopping the guns. QUIT LYING.
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02-09-2012, 06:35 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdean
Quote: Originally Posted by The Infidel Oh give me a fucking break!!!!! Now this is Bush's fault, but getting Osama he had nothing to do with..... if its bad... BOOSH, if its good OBAMIE..... Oh fuck you rdean.... Go to Hell ya hack!  Im sick of this kind of horseshit! Holder should go to prison for the this! Well, Holder IS black, so for Republicans, it kind of makes sense.
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02-09-2012, 06:50 PM
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| Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
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02-09-2012, 06:55 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by francoHFW Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH. |
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02-09-2012, 06:56 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bigrebnc1775
Quote: Originally Posted by francoHFW Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
__________________ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. -Bertrand Russell Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable -Laurence J. Peters I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing. -Maineman ( on 12 June 2007) |
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02-09-2012, 06:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by bigrebnc1775
Quote: Originally Posted by rdean
Quote: Originally Posted by bigrebnc1775 Gun runner and operation fast and furious were two different operations. One was started under bush and the other was started under obama. Gun runner wasn't working so it was stopped. Fast and furious got a border agent killed gun runner didn't Project Gunrunner Quote: The ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006 Operation Fast and Furious Quote: Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ’s ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Unfolded In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011, Bush's "Fast and Furious" operation under his "Project Gunrunner" began in February 2008. Project Gunrunner What Is Project Gunrunner? Project Gunrunner, the ATF claims, was an attempt by ATF to stem what they call an “iron river of guns” that is flowing from gun stores in the United States across the border into Mexico. According to the ATF’s website, “ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives.” The website also states, “Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.” However, since February 2008 under Project Gunrunner, operations “Fast and Furious,” “Too Hot to Handle,” “Wide Receiver,” and others (lampooned under the label “Operation Gunwalker”) have resulted in the opposite, as ATF was permitting and facilitating “straw purchase” firearm sales to gun traffickers. A straw purchase is when a buyer uses an intermediary (the “straw man”) to purchase firearms from a dealer, with the intent of hiding the identity of the real buyer. In essence, ATF allowed the guns to “walk” and be transported to Mexico.
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02-09-2012, 06:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by francoHFW Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
__________________ My one and only post here ever again... breaking my own rule... but just HAD to post this... John Doe Investigation Over - www.nbc26.com John Doe Investigation Over Quote: The John Doe investigation into former aides of Governor Scott Walker is over. The Milwaukee County District Attorney says the governor will not face any charges. But the three year investigation did lead to charges against six people. Governor Walker has been vindicated. Something he has been saying from the very beginning. A dark cloud hanging over his head is now gone. :mm : |
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02-09-2012, 07:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic Again the same GOP propaganda source already discredited. Bush's "Fast and Furious" operation under his "Project Gunrunner" began in February 2008. Project Gunrunner What Is Project Gunrunner? Project Gunrunner, the ATF claims, was an attempt by ATF to stem what they call an “iron river of guns” that is flowing from gun stores in the United States across the border into Mexico. According to the ATF’s website, “ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives.” The website also states, “Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.” However, since February 2008 under Project Gunrunner, operations “Fast and Furious,” “Too Hot to Handle,” “Wide Receiver,” and others (lampooned under the label “Operation Gunwalker”) have resulted in the opposite, as ATF was permitting and facilitating “straw purchase” firearm sales to gun traffickers. A straw purchase is when a buyer uses an intermediary (the “straw man”) to purchase firearms from a dealer, with the intent of hiding the identity of the real buyer. In essence, ATF allowed the guns to “walk” and be transported to Mexico. ATF Fact Sheet - Project Gunrunner
__________________ My one and only post here ever again... breaking my own rule... but just HAD to post this... John Doe Investigation Over - www.nbc26.com John Doe Investigation Over Quote: The John Doe investigation into former aides of Governor Scott Walker is over. The Milwaukee County District Attorney says the governor will not face any charges. But the three year investigation did lead to charges against six people. Governor Walker has been vindicated. Something he has been saying from the very beginning. A dark cloud hanging over his head is now gone. :mm : |
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02-09-2012, 07:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic
Quote: Originally Posted by bigrebnc1775 Gun runner and operation fast and furious were two different operations. One was started under bush and the other was started under obama. Gun runner wasn't working so it was stopped. Fast and furious got a border agent killed gun runner didn't Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself. From what I have already posted that you read: ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner Project Gunrunner Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives... Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
__________________ Accuse your opponents of what you are at present doing. Rush Limbaugh You know, when you are a messiah, when you have a messianic attitude about yourself, nobody's supposed to doubt you. Rush Limbaugh Don't doubt me. I say it, you believe it. That's the rule here. Rush Limbaugh The power of accurate observation is commonly called Cynicism by those who have not got it. George Bernard Shaw Cynics regarded everybody as equally corrupt... Idealists regarded everybody as equally corrupt, except themselves. Robert Anton Wilson Idealism is what precedes experience; cynicism is what follows. David T. Wolf |
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02-09-2012, 07:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdean
Quote: Originally Posted by The Infidel Oh give me a fucking break!!!!! Now this is Bush's fault, but getting Osama he had nothing to do with..... if its bad... BOOSH, if its good OBAMIE..... Oh fuck you rdean.... Go to Hell ya hack! Im sick of this kind of horseshit! Holder should go to prison for the this! Well, Holder IS black, so for Republicans, it kind of makes sense. PJ Media » Gunwalker: Gunning Down the ‘Bush Did It, Too’ Lie
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02-09-2012, 07:09 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic
Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that. Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself. From what I have already posted that you read: ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner Project Gunrunner Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives... Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
__________________ My one and only post here ever again... breaking my own rule... but just HAD to post this... John Doe Investigation Over - www.nbc26.com John Doe Investigation Over Quote: The John Doe investigation into former aides of Governor Scott Walker is over. The Milwaukee County District Attorney says the governor will not face any charges. But the three year investigation did lead to charges against six people. Governor Walker has been vindicated. Something he has been saying from the very beginning. A dark cloud hanging over his head is now gone. :mm : |
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02-09-2012, 07:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic
Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that. Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself. From what I have already posted that you read: ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner Project Gunrunner Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives... Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
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02-09-2012, 07:28 PM
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| Could this be the start of fast and furious? FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TUESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009 DOJ, DHS AND MEXICO ANNOUNCE ARRANGEMENT TO BOLSTER INVESTIGATIVE COOPERATION ON INTERNATIONAL FIREARMS TRAFFICKING CASES DOJ Press Release - DOJ, <abbr>DHS</abbr> And Mexico Announce Arrangement To Bolster Investigative Cooperation On International Firearms Trafficking Cases Operation Fast and Furious Quote: Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ’s ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Unfolded In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011, Last edited by bigrebnc1775; 02-09-2012 at 07:32 PM. |
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02-09-2012, 07:29 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic
Quote: Originally Posted by Oldstyle
Quote: Originally Posted by edthecynic More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that. Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself. From what I have already posted that you read: ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner Project Gunrunner Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives... Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico. |
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