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Holder lied? No evidence. Just something you happen to know for a fact? Hilarious.
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New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."
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As the Fast and Furious investigation enters its 10th month, the blame game grows more intense.
“In this investigation, best of my knowledge, we didn’t let guns walk,” said Phoenix Chief Bill Newell.
Newell testified he did nothing wrong, the former ATF director said he never read his memos. Holder claims he didn’t know about the operations’ “questionable tactics.”

Justice Official Regrets Not Speaking Up About Federal Anti-Gunrunning Operation | Fox News

In recent months, Breuer acknowledged he knew of a gunwalking operation called "Wide Receiver" begun under the Bush Administration. Breuer said he never informed Holder that gunwalking had been allowed, even after the controversy over Fast and Furious surfaced.

The idea in Fast and Furious and other gunwalking operations conducted secretly by government agents in recent years was to try to see where the guns ended up, and catch the "big fish" of a Mexican drug cartel. According to law enforcement sources, Mexican officials were not in on the plan, and no arrests of top cartel members ever happened.

More gunwalker questions for Attorney General Holder - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

Republicans SCREAM that Obama and the Democrats keep blaming Bush. They don't admit that Bush's policies keep coming back to bite this country in the ass again and again.
You are a LYING HACK and STUPID to boot, The Bush program actually involved the Mexican Government and when they could not track the weapons in Mexico it was halted only about 400 weapons were involved.

The new one Fast and Furious was run by the same outfit, same players, THEY KNEW they could not track the weapons in Mexico and made NO EFFORT to track them in the States, simply allowing the straw buyers to walk with the weapons. They also made no effort to involve the Mexican Government.

Further Fast and Furious was apparently designed not to catch gun buyers but to flood weapons into Mexico so that the ATF which ran the operation could tell the FBI there was a problem in Arizona with gun regulations. he FBI reported the information from the ATF of hundreds of American weapons in mexican crime scenes. The ATF never told the FBI they let the guns go there. The FBI pushed for stronger gun laws on the mistaken belief that illegal buys were happening because of light laws not because the ATF was allowing the purchases and not stopping the guns.

QUIT LYING.
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Oh give me a fucking break!!!!!


Now this is Bush's fault, but getting Osama he had nothing to do with..... if its bad... BOOSH, if its good OBAMIE.....


Oh fuck you rdean.... Go to Hell ya hack!


Im sick of this kind of horseshit!

Holder should go to prison for the this!
Go to prison for something that started under Bush and Holder knew nothing about?

Well, Holder IS black, so for Republicans, it kind of makes sense.
You are a LIAR
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Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
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Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
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Pub dupe/haters! Holder's office was sent papers, so he read them ALL. Idiocy. Everyone with a brain knows who the liars are. There is EVIDENCE- bought off Pubs...DUH.
When did operation fast and furious begin?
I reported this thread to the mods. It is an attack piece based on a bald faced lie. I suggest you do the same.
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Gun runner and operation fast and furious were two different operations. One was started under bush and the other was started under obama. Gun runner wasn't working so it was stopped. Fast and furious got a border agent killed gun runner didn't
You can't make this stuff up. Oh, wait, I guess you can!
TWO different operations. One was started under Bush and the other was started under obama.
Project Gunrunner
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The ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006
Project Gunrunner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ’s ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Unfolded
In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011,
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Again the same GOP propaganda source already discredited.

Bush's "Fast and Furious" operation under his "Project Gunrunner" began in February 2008.

Project Gunrunner

What Is Project Gunrunner?
Project Gunrunner, the ATF claims, was an attempt by ATF to stem what they call an “iron river of guns” that is flowing from gun stores in the United States across the border into Mexico.

According to the ATF’s website, “ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives.”

The website also states, “Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.”

However, since February 2008 under Project Gunrunner, operations “Fast and Furious,” “Too Hot to Handle,” “Wide Receiver,” and others (lampooned under the label “Operation Gunwalker”) have resulted in the opposite, as ATF was permitting and facilitating “straw purchase” firearm sales to gun traffickers. A straw purchase is when a buyer uses an intermediary (the “straw man”) to purchase firearms from a dealer, with the intent of hiding the identity of the real buyer. In essence, ATF allowed the guns to “walk” and be transported to Mexico.
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Again the same GOP propaganda source already discredited.

Bush's "Fast and Furious" operation under his "Project Gunrunner" began in February 2008.

Project Gunrunner

What Is Project Gunrunner?
Project Gunrunner, the ATF claims, was an attempt by ATF to stem what they call an “iron river of guns” that is flowing from gun stores in the United States across the border into Mexico.

According to the ATF’s website, “ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives.”

The website also states, “Project Gunrunner’s objective is to deny Mexican drug cartels the tools of the trade, which they employ to murder rival drug traffickers, civilians, as well as political, military, and law enforcement figures in order to strengthen their grip on the lucrative drug and firearms routes into and out of the United States.”

However, since February 2008 under Project Gunrunner, operations “Fast and Furious,” “Too Hot to Handle,” “Wide Receiver,” and others (lampooned under the label “Operation Gunwalker”) have resulted in the opposite, as ATF was permitting and facilitating “straw purchase” firearm sales to gun traffickers. A straw purchase is when a buyer uses an intermediary (the “straw man”) to purchase firearms from a dealer, with the intent of hiding the identity of the real buyer. In essence, ATF allowed the guns to “walk” and be transported to Mexico.
show me a link to the ATF website where it links Fast and Furious to Gunrunner.

ATF Fact Sheet - Project Gunrunner
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Gun runner and operation fast and furious were two different operations. One was started under bush and the other was started under obama. Gun runner wasn't working so it was stopped. Fast and furious got a border agent killed gun runner didn't
More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that.

Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
You know what, Ed...I don't neg rep people very often but I'm giving you one for that post. You're not the idiot that Deanie is...you know that Fast & Furious wasn't a Bush program. Trying to say that Bush is responsible for the death of Brian Terry after his Administration STOPPED Operation Gunrunner is about as bold faced a lie as one can tell. Fast & Furious is an Eric Holder DOJ program and he is TOTALLY responsible for it.
You can lie all you want, but the ATF itself says Bush's Project Gunrunner was still active in 2010, so Bush NEVER ended it.

From what I have already posted that you read:

ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner

Project Gunrunner

Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives...

Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
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Oh give me a fucking break!!!!!


Now this is Bush's fault, but getting Osama he had nothing to do with..... if its bad... BOOSH, if its good OBAMIE.....


Oh fuck you rdean.... Go to Hell ya hack!


Im sick of this kind of horseshit!

Holder should go to prison for the this!
Go to prison for something that started under Bush and Holder knew nothing about?

Well, Holder IS black, so for Republicans, it kind of makes sense.
What a dweeb you are:

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More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that.

Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
You know what, Ed...I don't neg rep people very often but I'm giving you one for that post. You're not the idiot that Deanie is...you know that Fast & Furious wasn't a Bush program. Trying to say that Bush is responsible for the death of Brian Terry after his Administration STOPPED Operation Gunrunner is about as bold faced a lie as one can tell. Fast & Furious is an Eric Holder DOJ program and he is TOTALLY responsible for it.
You can lie all you want, but the ATF itself says Bush's Project Gunrunner was still active in 2010, so Bush NEVER ended it.

From what I have already posted that you read:

ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner

Project Gunrunner

Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives...

Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
Give me an ATF website link that states Fast & Furious was part of Gunrunner.
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More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that.

Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
You know what, Ed...I don't neg rep people very often but I'm giving you one for that post. You're not the idiot that Deanie is...you know that Fast & Furious wasn't a Bush program. Trying to say that Bush is responsible for the death of Brian Terry after his Administration STOPPED Operation Gunrunner is about as bold faced a lie as one can tell. Fast & Furious is an Eric Holder DOJ program and he is TOTALLY responsible for it.
You can lie all you want, but the ATF itself says Bush's Project Gunrunner was still active in 2010, so Bush NEVER ended it.

From what I have already posted that you read:

ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner

Project Gunrunner

Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives...

Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
I wouldn't consider negging you, I know you post what you believe true, but you ARE wrong on this. World of difference between then and this administration. I'm not sure about Obama, but Holder? Cut the line.
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Could this be the start of fast and furious?
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TUESDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009
DOJ, DHS AND MEXICO ANNOUNCE ARRANGEMENT TO BOLSTER INVESTIGATIVE COOPERATION ON INTERNATIONAL FIREARMS TRAFFICKING CASES

DOJ Press Release - DOJ, <abbr>DHS</abbr> And Mexico Announce Arrangement To Bolster Investigative Cooperation On International Firearms Trafficking Cases

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Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ’s ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Unfolded
In this operation, which began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011,
Gun-Running Timeline: How DOJ

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More GOP propaganda, and un-sourced at that.

Bush's Project Gunrunner operation "Fast and Furious" begun February 2008, killed Brian Terry, making Bush a murderer as if he had pulled the trigger himself.
You know what, Ed...I don't neg rep people very often but I'm giving you one for that post. You're not the idiot that Deanie is...you know that Fast & Furious wasn't a Bush program. Trying to say that Bush is responsible for the death of Brian Terry after his Administration STOPPED Operation Gunrunner is about as bold faced a lie as one can tell. Fast & Furious is an Eric Holder DOJ program and he is TOTALLY responsible for it.
You can lie all you want, but the ATF itself says Bush's Project Gunrunner was still active in 2010, so Bush NEVER ended it.

From what I have already posted that you read:

ATF Online - Firearms - Programs - Project Gunrunner

Project Gunrunner

Gun trafficking to Mexico is a nationwide problem with consequences on both sides of the border. In response, ATF implemented Project Gunrunner in 2006 as a comprehensive strategy to reduce firearms and explosives related violent crime associated with Mexican criminal organizations operating in the U.S. and Mexico by preventing these organizations from unlawfully acquiring and trafficking firearms and explosives...

Since its inception in 2006, and through Fiscal Year 2010, ATF’s Project Gunrunner has recommended over 1,100 criminal cases and in excess of 2,500 defendants for prosecution. To date, Project Gunrunner investigations have resulted in the seizure of over 10,000 firearms and nearly one million rounds of ammunition destined for Mexico.
Project gunrunner was not operation fast and furious.
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