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How many knew vote ID laws were Constitutional

Supreme Court upholds voter ID law - politics - msnbc.com

Just curious how many knew that the Supreme Court ruled that Voter ID was Constitutional?
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Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
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Indiana provides IDs free of charge to the poor and allows voters who lack photo ID to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.
Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
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Good, so why are so many still complaining?
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Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
And EVERY Voter ID law that has passed since the 2008 SCOTUS decision includes the 'free of charge provision'.

Yet libtards still whine they are unconstitutional.
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Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
How are they being made to pay to vote?
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Good, so why are so many still complaining?
Takes a lot of the fraud out of elections.
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Not key at all. But you keep believing that.
Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
How are they being made to pay to vote?
if they have to pay for an ID it is tantamount to having to pay to vote.
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Oh, it absolutely is....it is unconstitutional to make people pay to vote.
How are they being made to pay to vote?
if they have to pay for an ID it is tantamount to having to pay to vote.
Not true. But you keep playing that game. By the way does that mean the EXISTING LAWS that require photo ID just to register are illegal?
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The constitutionally of ID laws were never at issue, nor has anyone made such a claim otherwise, as voting is a fundamental right:

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The right to vote is the fundamental right that has been the source of the most significant Supreme Court litigation. The Constitution addresses voting in Article II and four subsequent amendments (the 15th, forbidding discrimination in voting on the basis "of race, color, or previous condition of servitude;" the 19th, forbidding discrimination in voting based on sex; the 24th, prohibiting "any poll tax" on a person before they can vote; and the 26th, granting the right to vote to all citizens over the age of 18). The Court has chosen to also strictly scrutinize restrictions on voting other than those specifically prohibited by the Constitution because, in its words, the right to vote "is preservative of other basic civil and political rights."

Kramer v Union Free School District (1969) is an example of a case in which strict scrutiny resulted in the invalidation of a state voting restriction. The Court found for a bachelor living with his parents, who challenged a N.Y. law that limited voting in school board elections to persons who either owned or leased property in the district or had children attending schools in the district. The Court found the law was not sufficiently narrowly tailored to serve its interest of limiting voting to interested persons.

Reynolds v Sims (1964) considered a challenge to the malapportionment of the Alabama legislature. The Court invalidated Alabama's apportionment scheme, which gave voters in rural areas disproportionately more power (more representatives per capita) than urban voters. Writing for the Court, Chief Justice Warren declared, "Legislators represent people, not trees or acres," and that the "Equal Protection Clause requires that seats in both houses of a bicameral legislature must be apportioned on a population basis."

Fundamental Rights and Equal Protection Clause Analysis: The Right to Vote and the Right to Education
Per Federal law, no one may be turned away from the polling place because he has no ID, he must be allowed to vote via provisional ballot.

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Good, so why are so many still complaining?
Itís not complaining, itís concern, concern that some may not be aware of the law and the fact that each citizen has a fundamental right to vote, even if he has no ID.

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Takes a lot of the fraud out of elections.
Incorrect.

Not only is there not Ďa lotí of fraud in elections, cases of fraud are statistically non-existent:

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[L]aw enforcement statistics, reports from elections officials and widespread research have proved that voter fraud at the polling place is virtually non-existent. The motivation for ginning up this bogeyman is often to intimidate certain groups of voters and, ultimately, make it harder for minority or disadvantaged groups to exercise their right to vote. It is no accident that these operations have repeatedly focused on minority communities.

Opinion: Voter fraud hysteria - Tova Andrea Wang - POLITICO.com
Consequently any person who comes to a polling place to vote must be allowed to do so, even if he has no ID in a jurisdiction that requires one:

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SEC. 302. PROVISIONAL VOTING AND VOTING INFORMATION REQUIREMENTS.
(a) PROVISIONAL VOTING REQUIREMENTS.

óIf an individual declares that such individual is a registered voter in the jurisdiction
in which the individual desires to vote and that the individual
is eligible to vote in an election for Federal office, but the name
of the individual does not appear on the official list of eligible
voters for the polling place or an election official asserts that the
individual is not eligible to vote [due to no photo ID, for example]
, such individual shall be permitted to cast a provisional ballotÖ

http://www.eac.gov/assets/1/workflow...ng/Page/41.PDF
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How are they being made to pay to vote?
if they have to pay for an ID it is tantamount to having to pay to vote.
Not true. But you keep playing that game. By the way does that mean the EXISTING LAWS that require photo ID just to register are illegal?
it is true. but you keep winding yourself up in knots over it, otay?
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How are they being made to pay to vote?
if they have to pay for an ID it is tantamount to having to pay to vote.
Not true. But you keep playing that game. By the way does that mean the EXISTING LAWS that require photo ID just to register are illegal?


I think it is true.

But which states require voter ID but don't make a provision for someone to get a free ID if needed?

I know my state lets people get a free ID if needed.
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If you're going to require a ID (that costs money) to vote, then yes you do need to pay to vote. Hence, it can be considered a poll tax of sorts. I'm unsure as to why something that would be done in the Jim Crow days albeit less directly is somehow not considered what it is.
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I think it is true.

But which states require voter ID but don't make a provision for someone to get a free ID if needed?
Wisconsin Official Instructs Staff Not To Mention Free IDs For Voting

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WASHINGTON -- An internal memo sent around the Wisconsin Department of Transportation went public this week, sparking controversy over its instructions that employees should not tell state residents they can receive free photo identification for voting unless they ask.

The memo in question, sent out by former Republican state Senate aide Steve Krieser, the executive assistant of the Department of Transportation, is causing backlash across the state because of legislation signed in May by Republican Gov. Scott Walker requiring voters to show valid photo ID when going to the polls.

Obtaining a state-issued photo ID for the purpose of voting is actually free of charge. But the catch is that voters have to be in the know: If they don't specifically ask for the free ID, they'll get charged $28. Krieser told The Huffington Post he has no plans to adjust the policy.
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