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Old 08-21-2011, 08:44 AM
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I was just listened to an extremely idiotic argument about how food stamps are such a great asset to the economy.

This Democrat spokesman was talking about all of the wonders of food stamps. How they put food in the mouths of the poor and all of the usual liberal rhetoric. The spokesperson that was in opposition started in on him saying that because of the increase of people applying and qualifying for food stamps it is a major drag on the states. She was trying to sell her case that the increase of food stamps is more bad then good. More people employed and being able to afford food without food stamps is more desirable.

The Dem started saying "Oh, so you want to starve people?????"

I kid you not....that was his response!!

This is a microcosm of how a liberal or a progressive creates a wedge-issue. They propose policies that they and their opposition both know is unsustainable and know will cause a common-sense response and then they pull out the "you wanna starve the poor" accusation. The problem is, this has been working for Democrats for a long time. You'd think people would get wise to it. They used it on seniors when the GOP released their economic plan. "Those evil Republicans want to throw you and your wheel-chair over a cliff!!!"

You have to be a morally corrupt individual to make this kind of issue part of your campaign. Anyone who supports such a candidate or political party is in all respects living in denial. You have to live in a vacuum to think this way in the first place. Saying with a straight face that wide spread use of food stamps is a good thing is a radical rationalization similar to Nancy Pelosi proudly declaring that unemployment is helping the economy.

Lets put aside the loss of revenue to the states just for giving out food stamps to more and more people. Not only does the state have to reimburse stores for the lost sales, but also the state misses out on sales tax because no taxes are collected in the transactions. This shortfall has to be made up somewhere or the government will have to shrink or go broke.

Do Democrats realize this? Sure they do. But it fits into their class-warfare act. This all benefits the poor and everyone else suffers because of it.

Is this a good thing to them??? You be the judge.

Seems to me the Dems have policies on issues that are in direct conflict with each other. People are starving....feed them. People are fat....starve them. It's like the Global Warming/Ozone Depletion deal they've used to jack up the price of energy and cost billions to businesses and consumers in favor of their Green energy regulations in the EPA. Too much ozone or not enough. They've got us coming and going. On one hand they're saying we're too fat, on the other they're saying people are starving. It doesn't matter what the issue is. They want to spend more to deal with it forgetting the fact that they caused the problem in the first place. What it amounts to is they've turned the federal government into a perversion of it's original self. A bloated and abusive entity that is an Albatross to the taxpayers of the country.

I know this is a no-brainer.....but I see this repeated in several hot issues. In immigration reform, in Social Security reform, in health care reform, the list goes on and on. The left takes a populist position that they know is unsustainable and they roll with it. These days people are worried because they have been unemployed for a year or more so they tend to fall for the Democrat's argument. People have to be taken care of. Wouldn't it be better if they lived in a country where the government got out of the way so they could take care of themselves....if they so choose????

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How is reducing food stamps going to improve employment and increase pay?

Hey, I'm all for getting rid of food stamps. IMO they're a big reason why our country hasn't had another revolution yet.
Uh.....nobody said they will reduce food stamps.

The goal is to make it so that the current qualifications are met only by those that really need it.....not the average worker. Food prices are too high and are going up. Consumer prices are going up. Household expenses will soon be going up drastically. Obama admitted that energy costs will sky-rocket under his policies. He says the problem isn't how much they will go up but how fast. Soon you'll have energy bills that are unaffordable. You'll have to decide between eating and running your heat or air-conditioning. When the costs of energy and everything else goes up 25% in a year and yet your wages are frozen.....then you have inflation. And of course the White House excludes essentials such as food and energy from their inflation estimates.

All of this green legislation is causing prices of everything to go up putting a hardship on consumers. Sure, a clean environment is important but CO2 restrictions is making energy too expensive. Intentionally raising the price of gas is causing the price of food and everything else to go up.

The goal should be driving prices down, not providing more aid to consumers.
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I was just listened to an extremely idiotic argument about how food stamps are such a great asset to the economy.

This Democrat spokesman was talking about all of the wonders of food stamps. How they put food in the mouths of the poor and all of the usual liberal rhetoric. The spokesperson that was in opposition started in on him saying that because of the increase of people applying and qualifying for food stamps it is a major drag on the states. She was trying to sell her case that the increase of food stamps is more bad then good. More people employed and being able to afford food without food stamps is more desirable.

The Dem started saying "Oh, so you want to starve people?????"

I kid you not....that was his response!!

This is a microcosm of how a liberal or a progressive creates a wedge-issue. They propose policies that they and their opposition both know is unsustainable and know will cause a common-sense response and then they pull out the "you wanna starve the poor" accusation. The problem is, this has been working for Democrats for a long time. You'd think people would get wise to it. They used it on seniors when the GOP released their economic plan. "Those evil Republicans want to throw you and your wheel-chair over a cliff!!!"

You have to be a morally corrupt individual to make this kind of issue part of your campaign. Anyone who supports such a candidate or political party is in all respects living in denial. You have to live in a vacuum to think this way in the first place. Saying with a straight face that wide spread use of food stamps is a good thing is a radical rationalization similar to Nancy Pelosi proudly declaring that unemployment is helping the economy.

Lets put aside the loss of revenue to the states just for giving out food stamps to more and more people. Not only does the state have to reimburse stores for the lost sales, but also the state misses out on sales tax because no taxes are collected in the transactions. This shortfall has to be made up somewhere or the government will have to shrink or go broke.

Do Democrats realize this? Sure they do. But it fits into their class-warfare act. This all benefits the poor and everyone else suffers because of it.

Is this a good thing to them??? You be the judge.

Seems to me the Dems have policies on issues that are in direct conflict with each other. People are starving....feed them. People are fat....starve them. It's like the Global Warming/Ozone Depletion deal they've used to jack up the price of energy and cost billions to businesses and consumers in favor of their Green energy regulations in the EPA. Too much ozone or not enough. They've got us coming and going. On one hand they're saying we're too fat, on the other they're saying people are starving. It doesn't matter what the issue is. They want to spend more to deal with it forgetting the fact that they caused the problem in the first place. What it amounts to is they've turned the federal government into a perversion of it's original self. A bloated and abusive entity that is an Albatross to the taxpayers of the country.

I know this is a no-brainer.....but I see this repeated in several hot issues. In immigration reform, in Social Security reform, in health care reform, the list goes on and on. The left takes a populist position that they know is unsustainable and they roll with it. These days people are worried because they have been unemployed for a year or more so they tend to fall for the Democrat's argument. People have to be taken care of. Wouldn't it be better if they lived in a country where the government got out of the way so they could take care of themselves....if they so choose????

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How is reducing food stamps going to improve employment and increase pay?

Hey, I'm all for getting rid of food stamps. IMO they're a big reason why our country hasn't had another revolution yet.
Uh.....nobody said they will reduce food stamps.

The goal is to make it so that the current qualifications are met only by those that really need it.....not the average worker. Food prices are too high and are going up. Consumer prices are going up. Household expenses will soon be going up drastically. Obama admitted that energy costs will sky-rocket under his policies. He says the problem isn't how much they will go up but how fast. Soon you'll have energy bills that are unaffordable. You'll have to decide between eating and running your heat or air-conditioning. When the costs of energy and everything else goes up 25% in a year and yet your wages are frozen.....then you have inflation. And of course the White House excludes essentials such as food and energy from their inflation estimates.

All of this green legislation is causing prices of everything to go up putting a hardship on consumers. Sure, a clean environment is important but CO2 restrictions is making energy too expensive. Intentionally raising the price of gas is causing the price of food and everything else to go up.

The goal should be driving prices down, not providing more aid to consumers.
You are a bundle of emotions with NO historical facts. I present FACTS. Your ideology and brainwashing cause you to reject FACTS. That is not an intelligence, it is ignorance.
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Old 09-17-2011, 05:00 AM
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Great article in PJM:

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What ordinary people would see as obvious abuse is clearly on the rise. In Southwestern Ohio in early 2009, a couple with $80,000 in the bank and a paid-off $300,000 home qualified; it was not an isolated incident. Colleges have actively encouraged their students, no matter how well-off their parents might be, to get with the program. In a sign of how widespread student abuse of food stamps might be, Michigan has removed 30,000 of them from the rolls so far this year.

Duplication of benefits between other federal programs is rampant. Children in food stamp-eligible families are often if not usually getting free lunches and/or breakfasts at school. It’s not mean or nasty to observe that such families are getting 21 meals’ worth of benefits each week their kids are in school, but only have to figure out how to feed their kids 11 or 16 times. Many college students on food stamps are receiving financial aid based on their school’s officially published cost of attendance, which includes tuition, fees, room — and board.

Thrift being no longer necessary, the next stage is apparently removing the expectation that recipients prepare their own meals. The program’s new frontier is permitting the purchase of restaurant meals. It should be no surprise that lobbying efforts to expand restaurant merchant eligibility are well under way.

Finally, the food stamp program, like so many other federal efforts, is riddled with fraud. Ohio alone replaces 200,000 supposedly “lost” food stamp cards per year out of a current pool of 1.6 million recipients, or perhaps 500,000 households. Many if not most of the cards are being sold for cash or drugs.
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Ill ask you how you feel about it in a few years when the billionaires have 99% of the wealth and your starving without a job because they sold your job to China. (and not because of restrictions, because people will work for 10cents an hour there. Business is about the bottom line and nothing else).

I gaurantee after your last packet of ramen noodles vanishes in your belly, and you are spending 15 hours a day searching desperately for a job on an empty stomach, you will crawl your patriotic reagan loving ass down to the social services office. Hunger trumps idealism any day of the week.

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Everyone needs to listen to David Duke on how people on food stamps is a burden on the economy and hard working taxpayers. It's the truth.
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Pajamas Media » Food Stamps: A Microcosm of Out-of-Control Government[/url]

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