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I hate how weak Obama has been when dealing with the Republicans. I wish he would have followed Clinton's advice and unilaterally raised the debt ceiling. It's ridiculous how such a small number of people (read Tea Party) can make such a profound negative impact on the entire country.
First, Obama doesn't have the authority to unilaterially raise the debt ceiling. It's unconstitutional. And while you don't seem to have a problem with him assuming dictatorial power, much of the rest of us do.

Second, how has the debate negatively impacted the country? The only thing that's negatively impacting this country is the constant spending without ceasing.
First, since it hasn't been done before, and the Constitution doesn't expressly forbid him from doing so, how the hell do you know that it's unconstitutional? Are you a Supreme Court justice? No? Then gtfo. Don't spout nonsense. And you know what? The country is set up well enough that if Obama becomes dictatorial, Congress and the courts will prevent it. Unless you lack faith in the Constitution.....

Secondly, debate never negatively impacts anything. Anyone with a brain realizes that money has to be spent in order for money to be made. <----- Aka Investment. What's hurting the country is that the government is investing, but receiving no return. Corporations and businesses are hoarding like never before, and small businesses in particular are NOT hiring. The government has invested far too much in business, and needs to start sending money directly to the people who really need it by building new and repairing existing infrastructure, while at the same time collecting revenue in the form of taxes from corporations and those who are actually making money during this time.

How do you plan to start an economic recovery?
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First, since it hasn't been done before, and the Constitution doesn't expressly forbid him from doing so, how the hell do you know that it's unconstitutional? Are you a Supreme Court justice? No? Then gtfo. Don't spout nonsense. And you know what? The country is set up well enough that if Obama becomes dictatorial, Congress and the courts will prevent it. Unless you lack faith in the Constitution.....
Because I'm literate and I've read the Constitution. The House is in charge of the Budget. The President isn't given power to unilaterally act contrary to Congress when Congress has already acted in setting the limit. And this viewpoint has been supported by the Supreme Court in Youngstown, which is the controlling case on the extent of Presidentital power.

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Secondly, debate never negatively impacts anything. Anyone with a brain realizes that money has to be spent in order for money to be made. <----- Aka Investment. What's hurting the country is that the government is investing, but receiving no return. Corporations and businesses are hoarding like never before, and small businesses in particular are NOT hiring. The government has invested far too much in business, and needs to start sending money directly to the people who really need it by building new and repairing existing infrastructure, while at the same time collecting revenue in the form of taxes from corporations and those who are actually making money during this time.
Money has to be spent to be made? Nonsense. Lot's of people provide labor in creating goods and services to people without paying a cent.

And government doesn't invest in anything. Government money is used by politicians to buy votes. Businesses are not hiring because the government wont get the heck out of the marketplace. They have no clue what the next stupid idea out of Washington will be so they can't make accurate predictions for growing their businesses. Our overspending is inflating the dollar. We have to labor for 4 freakin months to even pay off our taxes. and Washington hasnt found a regulation they can say no to because for some stupid reason they think passing laws changes the behavior of bad people.

Cut spending, cut taxes, and get the heck out of the way and you will see plenty of jobs. You will see businesses taking risks. You will see them hiring. You will see Entrepenuers creating more businesses.

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I don't see how either side won anything especially the Teabastaurds, they only get to vote on an amendment but not get an amendment. I'd like to see the particulars from both sides. If Obama did cave in and the country gets worse becuase of this deal I hope the same dipshats who say the Teabasturds have one will pin the blame on the Teabasturds also, though thats not likely to happen with the rightwing's propaganda machine in action.
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First, since it hasn't been done before, and the Constitution doesn't expressly forbid him from doing so, how the hell do you know that it's unconstitutional? Are you a Supreme Court justice? No? Then gtfo. Don't spout nonsense. And you know what? The country is set up well enough that if Obama becomes dictatorial, Congress and the courts will prevent it. Unless you lack faith in the Constitution.....
Because I'm literate and I've read the Constitution. The House is in charge of the Budget. The President isn't given power to unilaterally act contrary to Congress when Congress has already acted in setting the limit. And this viewpoint has been supported by the Supreme Court in Youngstown, which is the controlling case on the extent of Presidentital power.

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Secondly, debate never negatively impacts anything. Anyone with a brain realizes that money has to be spent in order for money to be made. <----- Aka Investment. What's hurting the country is that the government is investing, but receiving no return. Corporations and businesses are hoarding like never before, and small businesses in particular are NOT hiring. The government has invested far too much in business, and needs to start sending money directly to the people who really need it by building new and repairing existing infrastructure, while at the same time collecting revenue in the form of taxes from corporations and those who are actually making money during this time.
Money has to be spent to be made? Nonsense. Lot's of people provide labor in creating goods and services to people without paying a cent.

And government doesn't invest in anything. Government money is used by politicians to buy votes. Businesses are not hiring because the government wont get the heck out of the marketplace. They have no clue what the next stupid idea out of Washington will be so they can't make accurate predictions for growing their businesses. Our overspending is inflating the dollar. We have to labor for 4 freakin months to even pay off our taxes. and Washington hasnt found a regulation they can say no to because for some stupid reason they think passing laws changes the behavior of bad people.

Cut spending, cut taxes, and get the heck out of the way and you will see plenty of jobs. You will see businesses taking risks. You will see them hiring. You will see Entrepenuers creating more businesses.

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By working instead of sitting around and waiting for everyone else to provide me everything I want.
Actually he is mostly correct. And corporations ARE holding onto a great amount of liquid assets. (for many reasons)
Right now the winners win BIG.... the others struggle. The economy is not in harmony.
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Looks like there may be a promise to vote on a balanced budget amendment later this year. It's unclear whether there actually is one because I'm not seeing it mentioned in any news.

Of course, a promise is still nothing. They could have atleast requested a promise that the amendment go to the states. Doesn't matter if they allow a vote and it's voted down.
I think the Senate will vote against it.
I'm betting you are right, which is why the promise is meaningless.
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This thing still needs to be voted upon by both the House and Senate and get by the extreme factions within both parties. I bet the ones jumping up and down saying that they've won haven't even read the fine print, I'll wait to see what the CBO says on their website to get a much more balanced view.
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I don't see how either side won anything especially the Teabastaurds, they only get to vote on an amendment but not get an amendment. I'd like to see the particulars from both sides. If Obama did cave in and the country gets worse becuase of this deal I hope the same dipshats who say the Teabasturds have one will pin the blame on the Teabasturds also, though thats not likely to happen with the rightwing's propaganda machine in action.
If they cave to this deal, then they should be blamed for whatever happens. And get credit for anything as well.

However, we can pretty much guarentee there will be nothing to take credit for. The deal is raise the debt ceiling for empty promises. Which might be a win for Obama if he hadn't previously said that even discussing a raise in the debt ceiling was a failure of leadership. Ironically, his success demonstrates his failure by his own standards.

However, the country will not get worse by cutting spending and paying off our debts. Quite the opposite. It's time common sense goes back to Washington.
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Looks like there may be a promise to vote on a balanced budget amendment later this year. It's unclear whether there actually is one because I'm not seeing it mentioned in any news.

Of course, a promise is still nothing. They could have atleast requested a promise that the amendment go to the states. Doesn't matter if they allow a vote and it's voted down.
I think the Senate will vote against it.
I'm betting you are right, which is why the promise is meaningless.
That amendment nonsense was the crap the Teabasturds wanted, not that it matters much for anything, the more mainstream Repugs threw that in there to mainly appease the Teabasturds.
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I think the Senate will vote against it.
I'm betting you are right, which is why the promise is meaningless.
That amendment nonsense was the crap the Teabasturds wanted, not that it matters much for anything, the more mainstream Repugs threw that in there to mainly appease the Teabasturds.
Yeah. and they didn't get it. Which of course is another reason this isnt a win for the Tea Party.

Im not sure what you have against a balanced budget, but most people who think about their lives try to live within their means. The government is governed by the same laws that govern individuals.
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I don't see how either side won anything especially the Teabastaurds, they only get to vote on an amendment but not get an amendment. I'd like to see the particulars from both sides. If Obama did cave in and the country gets worse becuase of this deal I hope the same dipshats who say the Teabasturds have one will pin the blame on the Teabasturds also, though thats not likely to happen with the rightwing's propaganda machine in action.
If they cave to this deal, then they should be blamed for whatever happens. And get credit for anything as well.

However, we can pretty much guarentee there will be nothing to take credit for. The deal is raise the debt ceiling for empty promises. Which might be a win for Obama if he hadn't previously said that even discussing a raise in the debt ceiling was a failure of leadership. Ironically, his success demonstrates his failure by his own standards.

However, the country will not get worse by cutting spending and paying off our debts. Quite the opposite. It's time common sense goes back to Washington.

I don't see why you guys keep thinking that cutting spending is the only solution, is it because you guys have really taken a course in economics or is it because thats what the rightwing propaganda machine has programmed you to believe? Its not about how much money you spend as opposed to how and where you spend that money, I say the government should invest more money in small businesses instead of these uber rich big business and do away with tax cuts for the uber rich, let their "creativity" not the government make them more money.
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I don't see why you guys keep thinking that cutting spending is the only solution, is it because you guys have really taken a course in economics or is it because thats what the rightwing propaganda machine has programmed you to believe? Its not about how much money you spend as opposed to how and where you spend that money, I say the government should invest more money in small businesses instead of these uber rich big business and do away with tax cuts for the uber rich, let their "creativity" not the government make them more money.
Because it's the only solution to the overspending.

And if we want to see unprecedented economic growth we would cut spending and taxes.

It's called history. You go with what works. And you eliminate what doesn't.

Government shouldnt be investing our money. we should.
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I'm betting you are right, which is why the promise is meaningless.
That amendment nonsense was the crap the Teabasturds wanted, not that it matters much for anything, the more mainstream Repugs threw that in there to mainly appease the Teabasturds.
Yeah. and they didn't get it. Which of course is another reason this isnt a win for the Tea Party.

Im not sure what you have against a balanced budget, but most people who think about their lives try to live within their means. The government is governed by the same laws that govern individuals.
Man don't facking start with your ad-hominems, I have never been against a balanced budget but history shows that the Repugs haven't be for balancing the budget except in rhetorically in their propaganda speeches, Bill Clinton was the only one who actually did it. The amendment is meaningless and does ensure anything, just like that leaky tax code we have doesn't ensure that everyone will pay their fair share.
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That amendment nonsense was the crap the Teabasturds wanted, not that it matters much for anything, the more mainstream Repugs threw that in there to mainly appease the Teabasturds.
Yeah. and they didn't get it. Which of course is another reason this isnt a win for the Tea Party.

Im not sure what you have against a balanced budget, but most people who think about their lives try to live within their means. The government is governed by the same laws that govern individuals.
Man don't facking start with your ad-hominems, I have never been against a balanced budget but history shows that the Repugs haven't be for balancing the budget except in rhetorically in their propaganda speeches, Bill Clinton was the only one who actually did it. The amendment is meaningless and does ensure anything, just like that leaky tax code we have doesn't ensure that everyone will pay their fair share.
ad hominems? Do you even know what that means?

If you are for balancing the budget, then support the Amendment. That will force Republicans and Democrats to do it.

And you will never find people paying their fair share under your system because you have no definition of what the "Fair share" is. It's a moving goal post. No matter how much someone pays, they aren't paying it.
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I don't see why you guys keep thinking that cutting spending is the only solution, is it because you guys have really taken a course in economics or is it because thats what the rightwing propaganda machine has programmed you to believe? Its not about how much money you spend as opposed to how and where you spend that money, I say the government should invest more money in small businesses instead of these uber rich big business and do away with tax cuts for the uber rich, let their "creativity" not the government make them more money.
Because it's the only solution to the overspending.

And if we want to see unprecedented economic growth we would cut spending and taxes.

It's called history. You go with what works. And you eliminate what doesn't.

Government shouldnt be investing our money. we should.

Well if history is looked at take a look at Repug history, how many balanced budgets have they had? You guys don't have anything that has been proven to work so what do they have to go off? The amendment is meangless, I haven't read the language in it yet but you can alway count on there being some language in their to give them a loophole.
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Yeah. and they didn't get it. Which of course is another reason this isnt a win for the Tea Party.

Im not sure what you have against a balanced budget, but most people who think about their lives try to live within their means. The government is governed by the same laws that govern individuals.
Man don't facking start with your ad-hominems, I have never been against a balanced budget but history shows that the Repugs haven't be for balancing the budget except in rhetorically in their propaganda speeches, Bill Clinton was the only one who actually did it. The amendment is meaningless and does ensure anything, just like that leaky tax code we have doesn't ensure that everyone will pay their fair share.
ad hominems? Do you even know what that means?

If you are for balancing the budget, then support the Amendment. That will force Republicans and Democrats to do it.
You said I was against having a balanced budget when I never said that, but you seem willing to make that argument, ad-hominem. Bill Clinton balanced the budget without an amendment, its all cosmetic.
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