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"GOP No Longer a 'Normal' Party" - David Brooks
This is a discussion on "GOP No Longer a 'Normal' Party" - David Brooks within the Politics forums, part of the US Discussion category; Quote: Originally Posted by uscitizen This entire thread is based on the incorrect premise that the Republican party was once normal. So true, consider that ...
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Quote: Originally Posted by uscitizen  This entire thread is based on the incorrect premise that the Republican party was once normal. "The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. ¶ Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman Why the GOP Hates the National Science Foundation | NeuroTribes
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07-07-2011, 01:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by midcan5
Quote: Originally Posted by uscitizen This entire thread is based on the incorrect premise that the Republican party was once normal. "The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. ¶ Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman Why the GOP Hates the National Science Foundation | NeuroTribes  
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07-07-2011, 01:19 PM
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| R U a Repub Steph?
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07-07-2011, 01:20 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by midcan5
Quote: Originally Posted by uscitizen This entire thread is based on the incorrect premise that the Republican party was once normal. "The truth is, the current incarnation of the GOP, frozen in its pose of perpetually indignant outrage, doesn’t want additional perspective, more data and nuance, and — Heaven forbid — dissenting voices. The impulse to marginalize, condemn, ridicule, and finally choke off dissenting voices is not only what’s behind Senator Coburn’s war on the NSF, it’s behind the GOP-sponsored culture war that has sucked much of the oxygen out of the national discourse for more than a decade now. ¶ Republicans don’t like science and scientists because they are sources of data that are independent of GOP-approved propaganda mills like Fox News. Pesky scientists and academics are always popping up to dispute the Roger Ailes-approved buzz-quote of the day — on climate change, on health care, on the effects of poverty on the rapidly evaporating middle class, on the diversity of American families, and on the importance of funding basic research instead of commercially-driven ventures constrained by short-term considerations like ROI." Steve Silberman Why the GOP Hates the National Science Foundation | NeuroTribes The people who manipulate data because it refuses to match their preconceived notions are going to lecture us on "choking off dissenting voices" LOL Go choke your chickens. 
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07-07-2011, 01:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Toro Quote: ... many important Democrats are open to a truly large budget deal. President Obama has a strong incentive to reach a deal so he can campaign in 2012 as a moderate. The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, has talked about supporting a debt reduction measure of $3 trillion or even $4 trillion if the Republicans meet him part way. There are Democrats in the White House and elsewhere who would be willing to accept Medicare cuts if the Republicans would be willing to increase revenues. If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases. A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth. The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary. ... But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative. The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no. The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it. The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor. The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor. But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol. ... If the debt ceiling talks fail, independent voters will see that Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude that Republicans are not fit to govern. And they will be right. Thoughts? *shrugs*... so mr brooks is now an economist?I wonder if mr. brooks realizes that say green initiatives in the way of rebates etc. ( and which he sppts) would be cut as well, in that they are expenditures, counted by the Treasury as tax reductions ( which in effect they are spending) . BUT, true reductions in tax expenditures would piss off a great many many across both aisles, so the devil is in the details, there by making this whole screed very premature ( see; sock puppet for the Dems) . The pres. again, did another 3 minute precis on Television this morning, we are meeting and gonna prepare for the BIG meeting Sunday....sounds to me like they are not even sure were everyone stands yet beyond the major major. And, I would add that if they committed re-write the tax code, I am all for chasing out deductions/loopholes etc. for a lower rate. frankly, I want a balanced budget amend. they can get there just about anyway they like as long as they don't play the phantom borrow against themselves game. Oh, and the usual sky is falling default on the debt. regurgitation is tiresome and noted.
__________________ Naphta to Settembrini; “It is ultimately a cruel misunderstanding of youth to believe it will find its heart’s desire in freedom, when truly, its deepest desire is to obey.” ( Der Zauberberg) Obama, SOTU-2013; 'Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.' "Right now, we're spending more money to pay interest on debt than we'll spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans' benefits combined this year. Surely, there's something better to spend that money on. And those interest payments are a significant tax on Americans -- a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. And just wait until interest rates rise, because at some point they will".Obama, Senate speech 2006 Last edited by Trajan; 07-07-2011 at 01:40 PM. |
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07-07-2011, 01:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Toro FTR, gun to my head, if I had to make a bet right now, Romney is President in 13. |
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07-07-2011, 01:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by kaz Typical brain dead liberal rampant hypocrisy and ad homenim attack because they are too intellectually devoid to argue any other way. And the NY Times is speaking for moderation, LMAO 
__________________ Naphta to Settembrini; “It is ultimately a cruel misunderstanding of youth to believe it will find its heart’s desire in freedom, when truly, its deepest desire is to obey.” ( Der Zauberberg) Obama, SOTU-2013; 'Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.' "Right now, we're spending more money to pay interest on debt than we'll spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans' benefits combined this year. Surely, there's something better to spend that money on. And those interest payments are a significant tax on Americans -- a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. And just wait until interest rates rise, because at some point they will".Obama, Senate speech 2006 |
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07-07-2011, 01:45 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dot Com How will Stephie, Frankie57, & The Rabbi cope when O'Bama is reelected? Maybe Rush Limbaugh will engage in self-immolation in Lafayette Park.
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07-07-2011, 01:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by RDD_1210 You're cute. DON'T FALL FOR IT FOLKS. I have. They suck.
__________________ Naphta to Settembrini; “It is ultimately a cruel misunderstanding of youth to believe it will find its heart’s desire in freedom, when truly, its deepest desire is to obey.” ( Der Zauberberg) Obama, SOTU-2013; 'Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.' "Right now, we're spending more money to pay interest on debt than we'll spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans' benefits combined this year. Surely, there's something better to spend that money on. And those interest payments are a significant tax on Americans -- a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. And just wait until interest rates rise, because at some point they will".Obama, Senate speech 2006 |
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07-07-2011, 01:46 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Trajan
Quote: Originally Posted by kaz Typical brain dead liberal rampant hypocrisy and ad homenim attack because they are too intellectually devoid to argue any other way. And the NY Times is speaking for moderation, LMAO
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07-07-2011, 01:51 PM
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| Nah... Obama's gonna be booted like Carter and will undoubtedly be viewed with the same disdain for decades thereafter.
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07-07-2011, 02:14 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mustang
Quote: Originally Posted by Toro Quote: ... many important Democrats are open to a truly large budget deal. President Obama has a strong incentive to reach a deal so he can campaign in 2012 as a moderate. The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, has talked about supporting a debt reduction measure of $3 trillion or even $4 trillion if the Republicans meet him part way. There are Democrats in the White House and elsewhere who would be willing to accept Medicare cuts if the Republicans would be willing to increase revenues. If the Republican Party were a normal party, it would take advantage of this amazing moment. It is being offered the deal of the century: trillions of dollars in spending cuts in exchange for a few hundred billion dollars of revenue increases. A normal Republican Party would seize the opportunity to put a long-term limit on the growth of government. It would seize the opportunity to put the country on a sound fiscal footing. It would seize the opportunity to do these things without putting any real crimp in economic growth. The party is not being asked to raise marginal tax rates in a way that might pervert incentives. On the contrary, Republicans are merely being asked to close loopholes and eliminate tax expenditures that are themselves distortionary. ... But we can have no confidence that the Republicans will seize this opportunity. That’s because the Republican Party may no longer be a normal party. Over the past few years, it has been infected by a faction that is more of a psychological protest than a practical, governing alternative. The members of this movement do not accept the logic of compromise, no matter how sweet the terms. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch in order to cut government by a foot, they will say no. If you ask them to raise taxes by an inch to cut government by a yard, they will still say no. The members of this movement do not accept the legitimacy of scholars and intellectual authorities. A thousand impartial experts may tell them that a default on the debt would have calamitous effects, far worse than raising tax revenues a bit. But the members of this movement refuse to believe it. The members of this movement have no sense of moral decency. A nation makes a sacred pledge to pay the money back when it borrows money. But the members of this movement talk blandly of default and are willing to stain their nation’s honor. The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor. But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol. ... If the debt ceiling talks fail, independent voters will see that Democrats were willing to compromise but Republicans were not. If responsible Republicans don’t take control, independents will conclude that Republican fanaticism caused this default. They will conclude that Republicans are not fit to govern. And they will be right. Thoughts?
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07-07-2011, 02:40 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mustang
Quote: Originally Posted by Trajan
Quote: Originally Posted by kaz Typical brain dead liberal rampant hypocrisy and ad homenim attack because they are too intellectually devoid to argue any other way. And the NY Times is speaking for moderation, LMAO interesting that the media employs use of such a term for 2-3 of the writers at the 2 biggest newspapers in the country, eh?
__________________ Naphta to Settembrini; “It is ultimately a cruel misunderstanding of youth to believe it will find its heart’s desire in freedom, when truly, its deepest desire is to obey.” ( Der Zauberberg) Obama, SOTU-2013; 'Nothing I'm proposing tonight should increase our deficit by a single dime.' "Right now, we're spending more money to pay interest on debt than we'll spend on education, homeland security, transportation and veterans' benefits combined this year. Surely, there's something better to spend that money on. And those interest payments are a significant tax on Americans -- a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about. And just wait until interest rates rise, because at some point they will".Obama, Senate speech 2006 |
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07-07-2011, 02:48 PM
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| David Brooks, still one of the best punch lines around.
__________________ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16). "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades" (Rev. 1:17-18). “The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God' ” (Psalm 14:1). Last edited by M.D. Rawlings; 07-07-2011 at 02:50 PM. |
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07-07-2011, 03:05 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by M.D. Rawlings David Brooks, still one of the best punch lines around.
__________________ "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself." Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC) ------------------------------------------------- "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Ben Franklin |
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