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The bigger the government the bigger the corruption,more waste,redundancy.Streamline government
make it more efficient balance the budget don't spend more then you take in....

But no,the Democrat way...spend,spend,spend..people don't want to work like those that have been out of work for 99 weeks....geez 99 weeks and still can't get a job,c'mon...
The only time in the history of the USof A that the budget was balanced was during the Jackson presidency and he was a democrat.
Please explain why republicans and whigs have never balanced the budget during every presidency and control of Congress.
But he wasn't a liberal.
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The only time in the history of the USof A that the budget was balanced was during the Jackson presidency and he was a democrat.
Please explain why republicans and whigs have never balanced the budget during every presidency and control of Congress.
The Republicans not only balanced the budget they had budget surplusses during the late 90s. Also, the budget had been balanced many times after the Jackson Presidency.

Please...go get that GED...
Isn't this the part where we point out that Democrats of old are actually the new Republicans?

That would debunk his whole arguement that we should all vote Democrat if we want a balanced budget....you know, because Andrew Jackson was a "democrat".
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The bigger the government the bigger the corruption,more waste,redundancy.Streamline government
make it more efficient balance the budget don't spend more then you take in....

But no,the Democrat way...spend,spend,spend..people don't want to work like those that have been out of work for 99 weeks....geez 99 weeks and still can't get a job,c'mon...
The only time in the history of the USof A that the budget was balanced was during the Jackson presidency and he was a democrat.
Please explain why republicans and whigs have never balanced the budget during every presidency and control of Congress.
But he wasn't a liberal.
true and he shut down the fed bank. We need more like Andy.
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The bigger the government the bigger the corruption,more waste,redundancy.Streamline government
make it more efficient balance the budget don't spend more then you take in....

But no,the Democrat way...spend,spend,spend..people don't want to work like those that have been out of work for 99 weeks....geez 99 weeks and still can't get a job,c'mon...
The only time in the history of the USof A that the budget was balanced was during the Jackson presidency and he was a democrat.
Please explain why republicans and whigs have never balanced the budget during every presidency and control of Congress.
The Republicans not only balanced the budget they had budget surplusses during the late 90s. Also, the budget had been balanced many times after the Jackson Presidency.
Please...go get that GED...
Jackson and Eisenhower is the only time the US has had a balanced budget. During Clinton there was still a national debt.


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The only time in the history of the USof A that the budget was balanced was during the Jackson presidency and he was a democrat.
Please explain why republicans and whigs have never balanced the budget during every presidency and control of Congress.
The Republicans not only balanced the budget they had budget surplusses during the late 90s. Also, the budget had been balanced many times after the Jackson Presidency.
Please...go get that GED...
Jackson and Eisenhower is the only time the US has had a balanced budget. During Clinton there was still a national debt.


Wow you are a fucking moron. A balanced budget and total national debt are two different things. Yes there was a national debt under Clinton, but one under Eisenhower as well (it was right after WWII). So sying "Jackson and Eisenhower" is the only time the US had a "balanced budget" is completely untrue.

I think what you mean to say, but are too fucking stupid to word it correctly, is that 1835 (Jackson's era) was the last time we had both a balanced budget AND no national debt.
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Either cut government employees pay & benefits or they can all lose their jobs. Take your pick. There will be 100 people standing in line to replace those worthless government employees who want to quit after their pay & benefits are cut.


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why not just do the sane thing and riase taxes on the top ten percent since they own 70% of the welath
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why not just do the sane thing and riase taxes on the top ten percent since they own 70% of the welath
Cut the pay & benefits on all the worthless government employees. If they want to quit let them. There will be 100 people standing in line to replace those worthless government employees who want to quit after their pay & benefits are cut.

Only then will I entertain raising taxes on the productive private sector.

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Because it will only get the deficit down by 3%
Government has to cut spending.
The top two income tax rates would have to more than double, with the top rate hitting almost 77 percent, to get the deficit down to 3 percent of GDP. Such dramatic tax increases are politically untenable and still wouldn't’t come close to eliminating the deficit.

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If this President and Democrats think all this is true,why did they Vote against raising Debt Limits when the other side was in power? They didn't seem to care about any of this stuff when they were voting against raising Debt Limits. So why the sudden change of heart and all the hysterical Fear Mongering now? If you want,i can post this President's very own words on raising Debt Limits when the other side was in power? He sure did like to hop up on his high horse railing against it back then. Looks like him and the Democrats are just Fear Mongering this up like they did with their Stimulus Debacle. They're just trying to panic the sheep. I guess we'll see if the sheep get spooked.

TaxVox Blog Archive Handicapping the Debt Ceiling Debate


To answer your question: Never in the history of debt ceiling votes has there been a majority vote to not pass the increase in the debt ceiling. From the article I linked to above:

For the time period reviewed (2002-2010), it states: "When Republicans held both the Senate and the White House (2003, 2004, 2006), they provided virtually all the yea votes, while almost all Democrats voted no. When the Democrats were in power (2009, 2010), the roles reversed: the Democrats provided all but one of the yea votes, while Republicans voted no. Only when government was divided with a Democratic Senate and a Republican president (2002, 2007) has the vote to lift the debt limit been bipartisan."

If the Republicans choose to "buck" that trend for the first time in history, and vote to not increase the debt ceiling, they will have committed political suicide. I am pretty sure they know that, but it doesn't stop the "chest beating" up until that time -- the same way the Dems have done when the situation was reversed. However, whenever there has been a situation where bipartisan voting is required, suddenly those votes miraculously appear. I simply have no reason to think this time will be any different. Political posturing as usual (from both sides), which in my opinion, is the real story here...hypocrisy and game-playing on both sides.
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Maybe tell the Dimocrats to compromise and agree to no tax increases! Tell the federal workers that they need to start funding their entire pension plans or better yet move the pension plans to individual plans 401K. Also have them start contributing to their health plans like their private sector counter-parts!
Why do you Republitards keep shooting yourselves in the foot and fight with one hand tied behind your back because you are too damned cheap to pay Union Dues?

Negotiate your own fucking benefits and stop trying to fuck with ours!

That's all this is... jealousy.

YOU are the idiots that bought the whole "trickle down" thing. YOU are the idiots that actually believe that you don't deserve good benefits, but your employers should be allowed to keep fucking you every time you turn around.

Why you numbnuts insist that we(the middle and working class) need continue this downward spiral into poverty is beyond me. It's madness! How much do we need to give up? How much do our employers need to take?

You have no clue what you are fighting for or rallying against..... Clueless, every damned one of you.
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why not just do the sane thing and riase taxes on the top ten percent since they own 70% of the welath
Because the top ten percent of the wealthy are giving large campaign contribution to Republicans to make sure their taxes aren't raised in any way, shape, or form while everyone else gets screwed because they aren't well-heeled and, hence, well-connected?
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Oh now the Democrats care about Jobs? Too little too late on that one. And why didn't they whine about this stuff in the past? Why did Obama & Democrats vote against raising Debt Limits when the other side had power? These are fair questions in my opinion.
We always did care about Jobs. Just because you want to see America Hired for slave wages that can't support a family, doesn't mean that we have to agree with you. We want good, family sustaining jobs that give our kids a better chance at a better life.

Your side, on the other hand... thinks any job is a good job and if you are too stupid to be a stockbroker or a business tychoon... you deserve what you get.
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So you think an immidiate loss of these jobs would be good fro the economy?
In the long term, absolutely. But people have to be willing to bite the bullet since we kicked the debt can down the road all these years. If we solved this problem sooner, the contraction wouldn't be so bad, but if we wait, it will just get worse.
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why not just do the sane thing and riase taxes on the top ten percent since they own 70% of the welath
They can keep their welath... don't know what it is, ergo, don't want it.
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