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This is a discussion on "Freedom Watch" calls the President a criminal for killing Bin Laden within the Politics forums, part of the US Discussion category; Quote: Originally Posted by PLYMCO_PILGRIM Quote: Originally Posted by Jarhead Quote: Originally Posted by PLYMCO_PILGRIM Wow more dishonest hackery....i guess I have to quote myself ...
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| I have no issue with what Obama did....legal or not. I had no issue with what Bush did I had no issue with waterboarding our enemies if it helped catch Bin Laden and save American Lives And if my son was kidnapped and buried somewhere and had 24 hours before his oxygen run out....and I had the culprit....I would torture his ass till he told me where he was buried... ANd I defy anyone outr there to tell me they would let their kid die without trying the same if nothing else was working and time was running out. Extenuating circumstances trumps all. Im just concerned about the procedure, not the results. Im happy with the results. People are too quick to assume that people like me, who might question if the way the president did it was within the constitution, are totally against the killing of bin laden or other things like you mentioned. A lot of us who question it are not, we just see an erosion of adherance to the constitution and are concerned for what actions may come in the future as a result of such precedence of behavior. Approve of him or not, the majority of Americans chose that person to be the one to make the tough calls... It is rare that a President must circumvent the constitution...or sidestep it....happens so rarely, I dont see it as an issue..... But if there is anyone that should be allowed to without accusations, investigations and threats, it is the President. We may not like Obama...I certainly dont.....but If he were to do something deemed as unconsitutional by some....so be it. I just wish people let Bush be President......they didnt. Now they wasnt us to let Obama be president, I say fine....ket him be President. |
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| don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action. |
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| don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action.
__________________ Best example of who we're dealing with: Quote: Originally posted by NYCarbineer Somebody has to get punished in order to balance the budget? Who would you prefer to punish? Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Lakhota One should always shit, piss, spit, and jerk off toward Israel. |
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| don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action.
__________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche |
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| It is sad, really, because there is no evidence that anything illegal occurred. Freaking desperate hacks are aggrivating me today. |
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| article 1, section 8, clause 11 gives the congress the authority to issue letters of reprisal, not the president. EDIT: and like I said...it puts me in a dilemma because I dont have a personal issue with what we, as a country, did with bin laden the other day but at the same time I can't stand for direct violations of the constitution. Letters of Marque and Reprisal i don't think a letter of reprisal has been issued by the us since the war of 1812. in any event, it has nothing to do with land based warfare. According to the link I provided: Letters of marque and reprisal are commissions or warrants issued to someone to commit what would otherwise be acts of piracy. They will normally contain the following first three elements, unless they imply or refer to a declaration of war to define the enemies, and may optionally contain the remainder: 1.Names person, authorizes him to pass beyond borders with forces under his command. 2.Specifies nationality of targets for action. 3.Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality. 4.Describes offense for which commission is issued as reprisal. 5.Restriction on time, manner, place, or amount of reprisal. See in number 3, personnel, thats where I was coming from. This is the type of interpretation I learned at Umass. If its wrong then lets discuss why. I have no problem being challenged and finding out I'm wrong when its done the way you do it. i believe the president is within his rights under the war powers act to send troops anywhere at any time without immediate congressional approval. |
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| Bet Al-Qaida doesn't have any of these.
__________________ These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, this is the beginning of the end of any nation. |
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| Which one? Obama or Napolitano? ![]() Can't fire Napolitano, he works for FOXNEWS. |
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| Freaking desperate hacks are aggrivating me today. ![]() He should have been assassinated day one and save us 10 years and lives and money. Saddam should have went quitely as should Qaddafi. You can say Pissing me off. I think GOP is pissed that Obama got him and they didn't. Last edited by LilOlLady; 05-06-2011 at 09:56 AM. |
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| a letter of reprisal is an instrument by which a privately owned ship is authorized by a govt to attack the shipping of another country. another name for it is a letter of marque. ships which had these letters were called privateers. without the letter, these ships were essentially pirates. i don't think a letter of reprisal has been issued by the us since the war of 1812. in any event, it has nothing to do with land based warfare. According to the link I provided: Letters of marque and reprisal are commissions or warrants issued to someone to commit what would otherwise be acts of piracy. They will normally contain the following first three elements, unless they imply or refer to a declaration of war to define the enemies, and may optionally contain the remainder: 1.Names person, authorizes him to pass beyond borders with forces under his command. 2.Specifies nationality of targets for action. 3.Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality. 4.Describes offense for which commission is issued as reprisal. 5.Restriction on time, manner, place, or amount of reprisal. See in number 3, personnel, thats where I was coming from. This is the type of interpretation I learned at Umass. If its wrong then lets discuss why. I have no problem being challenged and finding out I'm wrong when its done the way you do it. i believe the president is within his rights under the war powers act to send troops anywhere at any time without immediate congressional approval.
__________________ Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future. - JFK |
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| you may have latched on to something. apparently he (the chosen one) may have been wrestling with what to do for quite some time... too bad the economy is in the tank and unemployment on the rise.... don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action. |
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| don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action. |
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| a letter of reprisal is an instrument by which a privately owned ship is authorized by a govt to attack the shipping of another country. another name for it is a letter of marque. ships which had these letters were called privateers. without the letter, these ships were essentially pirates. i don't think a letter of reprisal has been issued by the us since the war of 1812. in any event, it has nothing to do with land based warfare. According to the link I provided: Letters of marque and reprisal are commissions or warrants issued to someone to commit what would otherwise be acts of piracy. They will normally contain the following first three elements, unless they imply or refer to a declaration of war to define the enemies, and may optionally contain the remainder: 1.Names person, authorizes him to pass beyond borders with forces under his command. 2.Specifies nationality of targets for action. 3.Authorizes seizure or destruction of assets or personnel of target nationality. 4.Describes offense for which commission is issued as reprisal. 5.Restriction on time, manner, place, or amount of reprisal. See in number 3, personnel, thats where I was coming from. This is the type of interpretation I learned at Umass. If its wrong then lets discuss why. I have no problem being challenged and finding out I'm wrong when its done the way you do it. i believe the president is within his rights under the war powers act to send troops anywhere at any time without immediate congressional approval. "The original War Powers Resolution of 1973 is a federal law allowing the President to send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress, or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires that the president notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The Resolution is often regarded as unconstitutional, not just by strict constitutionalists like Ron Paul, but also by Presidents who actually regard it as a limitation of their powers." |
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| you may have latched on to something. apparently he (the chosen one) may have been wrestling with what to do for quite some time... too bad the economy is in the tank and unemployment on the rise.... don't worry though, the chosen one is going to start taxing americans for the miles they drive (on top of the gas taxes and host of other taxes and fees that get thrown at drivers and owners of cars). and, states are no accessing use tax on hybrid vehicles to make up for "lost" revenue of efficiency cars... we are ****ed big time... But, at least Sheikh Usama bin Laden has been taken out. I agree this may be the one and only thing thing that the chosen one has done that was a "good" decision...... by the way, fuck the un, human rights watch, and all the others who are condemning the action.
__________________ "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself." Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC) ------------------------------------------------- "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Ben Franklin |
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