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Old 03-21-2011, 10:29 AM
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Obama's reasoning........

.........sounds awfully similar to Bush's reasoning for invading Iraq.

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BRASILIA, Brazil – President Barack Obama authorized limited military action against Libya Saturday, saying Moammar Gadhafi's continued assault on his own people left the U.S. and its international partners with no other choice. The Pentagon said 112 cruise missiles were launched from US and UK ships and subs, hitting 20 targets.

Obama said military action was not his first choice.

"This is not an outcome the U.S. or any of our partners sought," Obama said from Brazil, where he is starting a five-day visit to Latin America. "We cannot stand idly by when a tyrant tells his people there will be no mercy."
Obama: US launches military action against Libya - Yahoo! News

Can someone tell me where the Constitution allows such an offensive first strike?
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It doesn't.

But BOOOOOOSH!
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So where are those BOOOOOOOOOOOSH haters today? I haven't seen a single denouncement of this action by anyone who claims to support Obama?
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Under the War Powers act, the POTUS has power, as CinC, to launch military forces pretty much at his discretion. He is the commander in chief of all armed forces. However, he has 90 days to get Congressional approval, after he does.
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So where are those BOOOOOOOOOOOSH haters today? I haven't seen a single denouncement of this action by anyone who claims to support Obama?
Don't hold your breath!
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So where are those BOOOOOOOOOOOSH haters today? I haven't seen a single denouncement of this action by anyone who claims to support Obama?
Yeah, well bring a lunch....and dinner....You're gonna be waiting awhile.
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Under the War Powers act, the POTUS has power, as CinC, to launch military forces pretty much at his discretion. He is the commander in chief of all armed forces. However, he has 90 days to get Congressional approval, after he does.
Fair enough. But, IF Obama is truly concerned about any and all peoples being harmed by their countrys' leaders, wouldn't we be firing cruise missiles at Mexico, Africa, Saudi Arabia, and any other country that treats their people unjustly?
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Heh. Obama duping the Lefties in the 2008 campaign:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

A Clarification - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
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Under the War Powers act, the POTUS has power, as CinC, to launch military forces pretty much at his discretion. He is the commander in chief of all armed forces. However, he has 90 days to get Congressional approval, after he does.
Fair enough. But, IF Obama is truly concerned about any and all peoples being harmed by their countrys' leaders, wouldn't we be firing cruise missiles at Mexico, Africa, Saudi Arabia, and any other country that treats their people unjustly?
That's a philosophical question.
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Under the War Powers act, the POTUS has power, as CinC, to launch military forces pretty much at his discretion. He is the commander in chief of all armed forces. However, he has 90 days to get Congressional approval, after he does.
Fair enough. But, IF Obama is truly concerned about any and all peoples being harmed by their countrys' leaders, wouldn't we be firing cruise missiles at Mexico, Africa, Saudi Arabia, and any other country that treats their people unjustly?
There were quite a few of us saying exactly the same thing, when Bubba was rattling the saber in '98 and before Shrubbie started the shooting in '02.

Meet the new boss....
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Heh. Obama duping the Lefties in the 2008 campaign:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

A Clarification - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
The irony drips...
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Under the War Powers act, the POTUS has power, as CinC, to launch military forces pretty much at his discretion. He is the commander in chief of all armed forces. However, he has 90 days to get Congressional approval, after he does.
Fair enough. But, IF Obama is truly concerned about any and all peoples being harmed by their countrys' leaders, wouldn't we be firing cruise missiles at Mexico, Africa, Saudi Arabia, and any other country that treats their people unjustly?

He has a funny way of showing concern:

Barack Obama has now been responsible for firing more cruise missiles than all other Nobel Peace prize winners combined.

Hes still in 2nd place for number of Arab deaths caused (and 3rd place for Muslim deaths) behind Yassir Arafat and Mikhail Gorbachev.


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Heh. Obama duping the Lefties in the 2008 campaign:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

A Clarification - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
Unilateral? This is a World Effort. I know what you mean, though. (unilateral internally).

IMHO, noone here knows and ever will what Presidents know, in regards to their debriefings on things like these, secret meetings, strategies on the table, etc etc

I was un-wise under Bush. I supported the War right after 9/11 and was really hot-headed over the whole thing. After a few years, I grew tired of the wishy-washy "what exactly ARe we doing? Goals? Plans? etc." and started leaning towards the anti-Iraq crew.

Today, being a bit more but not totally level headed.........I think it's futile to opine when really, we, collectively as a board, don't know probably 1/2 the story. That's ignorant, although hard to avoid opining heh?
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Heh. Obama duping the Lefties in the 2008 campaign:

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

A Clarification - The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan
Unilateral? This is a World Effort. I know what you mean, though. (unilateral internally).

IMHO, noone here knows and ever will what Presidents know, in regards to their debriefings on things like these, secret meetings, strategies on the table, etc etc
I'm pretty sure that's more than opinion, I'd call it fact.
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