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This is a discussion on Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure? within the Politics forums, part of the US Discussion category; Quote: Originally Posted by M14 Shooter Quote: Originally Posted by BlindBoo Quote: Originally Posted by M14 Shooter This is, of course, a lie. Prove this. ...
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| Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography. "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade�.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker." That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work - and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war - has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. Two Years Before 9/11, Bush was Already Talking About Attacking Iraq ![]() OK, so.... where's the proof that GWB had his mind made up [about going to war with Iraq] long before the first bombs were dropped? Then there is the Downing Street memo's What do all these leaked, confidential British memos point to? The Bush Administration had decided to go to war at least one year before doing so and many months before seeking a resolution from Congress. The invasion of Iraq was illegal under international law so they tried to create legal justification through manipulation of the United Nations in order to trap Saddam into violating U.N. resolutions How Much Proof Needed Before the Truth Comes Out? by Kevin B. Zeese Now say something about lewrockwell.com now
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| Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography. "He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999," said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. "It was on his mind. He said to me: 'One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.' And he said, 'My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.' He said, 'If I have a chance to invade�.if I had that much capital, I'm not going to waste it. I'm going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I'm going to have a successful presidency." Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father's shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. "Suddenly, he's at 91 percent in the polls, and he'd barely crawled out of the bunker." That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work - and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war - has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill. Two Years Before 9/11, Bush was Already Talking About Attacking Iraq ![]() OK, so.... where's the proof that GWB had his mind made up [about going to war with Iraq] long before the first bombs were dropped? Then there is the Downing Street memo's What do all these leaked, confidential British memos point to? The Bush Administration had decided to go to war at least one year before doing so and many months before seeking a resolution from Congress. The invasion of Iraq was illegal under international law so they tried to create legal justification through manipulation of the United Nations in order to trap Saddam into violating U.N. resolutions How Much Proof Needed Before the Truth Comes Out? by Kevin B. Zeese Now say something about lewrockwell.com now I am going to make this simple Saddam caused this, no-one else he-lied he-lied he-lied 9-11 came along and W said no more leave or else He did not leave. There was no reason for war, I agree Saddam Hussein never realized that there would be an event that changed the game he was playing |
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| Wanna talk about the fact that there were NO WMD'S IN IRAQ? How about the fact that Jr.'s admin lied about it? Wanna talk about the fact that OBL (who caused 9/11) has never been caught? Nope.....the Iraq war was a horrible failure.
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| except for these 500 hundred DOD: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria « Sister Toldjah WMDs except for these shipped out and the main stream media ignores Pajamas Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria U.S. official: Iraqis told me WMDs sent to Syria World Threats » Blog Archive » U.N. Says Iraq Shipped WMD Equipment Out of Country OBL? how would you like to be shitting in a cave the rest of your life, he may not be caught yet but son of a bitch his life has to be a living hell Failure? your opinion that I would not share with a marine, you have that right and I could care less |
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| Neither you nor anyone else can show that GWB willfully made a statement he knew to be false. Thus, neither you nor anyone else can show that GWB lied. Quote: Wanna talk about the fact that OBL (who caused 9/11) has never been caught? Quote: Nope.....the Iraq war was a horrible failure.
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| The fact we went in under false pretenses, stole their country, and stayed in way too long is consider a FAILURE. It was one of the worst war we ever fought. There was no victory, only shame.
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| Pajamas Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria World Threats » Blog Archive » U.N. Says Iraq Shipped WMD Equipment Out of Country snopes.com: Former Iraqi General: WMD moved to Syria failure? Saddam? gone Iraq? republic Terrorist? Gone, dead, desperate I do not recall us taking anything in Iraq nor do I recall keeping anything you have you're opinion, i just wished it was based on accurate information |
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| Quote: Then there is the Downing Street memo's Quote: What do all these leaked, confidential British memos point to... ![]() I'll take all of this as your admision you cannot prove the assertion.
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| If your "good" intentions lead directly or indirectly to bad actions, isnt that bad planning on your part? Sure were not all knowing, but if you intended to rid a patient of an illness, then by killing the person in question you might have achieved your goal with good intentions, but bad execution. A very blunt example obviously but one action usually have lots of consequences, some bad, some good, and you cant really balance them on a scale and see what comes out ahead. And even if you meant good, does that negate the bad part of the spectrum? This is the truth of the story of Iraq, it was someone who thought he was doing good which game him the right to do bad because his real intent was doing good in his own mind. |
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| except for these 500 hundred DOD: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria « Sister Toldjah WMDs except for these shipped out and the main stream media ignores Pajamas Media » Satellite Photos Support Testimony That Iraqi WMD Went to Syria U.S. official: Iraqis told me WMDs sent to Syria World Threats » Blog Archive » U.N. Says Iraq Shipped WMD Equipment Out of Country OBL? how would you like to be shitting in a cave the rest of your life, he may not be caught yet but son of a bitch his life has to be a living hell Failure? your opinion that I would not share with a marine, you have that right and I could care less The invasion and occupation of Iraq has been a debacle since the invasion part was over. Epic Failure.
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| FactCheck.org: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003? After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq. The ISG was staffed with hundreds of intelligence analysts and military personnel from the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia. The group scoured Iraq, searching for deposits of weapons. But that was actually only part of the ISG’s focusA. and this is when Iraq went from a threat of WMD invasion to Saddam was a bad person and that is why he needed to go. All I ask is it ok to kill innocent people in order to kill someone who is bad? Would you allow that if it happened in America? Last edited by mnbasketball; 03-08-2011 at 02:54 PM. |
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| If we had told Saddam that hey guy were willing to buy you out, were going to give you 200,000,000,000.00 two hundred billion and we will allow you to move to any place you want with your families and friends if you want, do you think they might have said OK? |
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| This issue will be evaluated by two distinctly different mentalities; those who are willing to discern the obvious and those who for one reason or other are compliant stooges of the emerging corporatocracy. Trying to convince those in the latter category that George W. Bush was predisposed to invading Iraq is a waste of time.
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