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| In light of the huge education debate the past few weeks, I can't help but wonder: Democrats are staunchly pro-abortion. "Freedom of choice" they say. But they despise the thought of school vouchers (Because it would take money away from unions). So I conclude.... Democrats are only pro-choice when it comes to killing a child, not educating one. Abortion: yes Multiple sex partners: yes School sex ed and encouragement to participate: yes Pornography: yes become government dependent: yes drugs: yes alcohol: yes redistribute (steal): yes Discuss religious values: no Discuss political systems that have a proven record: no Uphold politicians to ethical standards: no Support freedom for all: no Support for equitable laws: no
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| Democrats are "pro women's rights". Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it. “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.” – Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican Got it.
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| In light of the huge education debate the past few weeks, I can't help but wonder: Democrats are staunchly pro-abortion. "Freedom of choice" they say. But they despise the thought of school vouchers (Because it would take money away from unions). So I conclude.... Democrats are only pro-choice when it comes to killing a child, not educating one. Also, they believe in equal rights under the law for everyone, except on April 15th when taxes are due.
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| The lefties support "free choice" when it makes you less of a person or erodes personal morals. Abortion: yes Multiple sex partners: yes School sex ed and encouragement to participate: yes Pornography: yes become government dependent: yes drugs: yes alcohol: yes redistribute (steal): yes Discuss religious values: no Discuss political systems that have a proven record: no Uphold politicians to ethical standards: no Support freedom for all: no Support for equitable laws: no |
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| Anytime I see someone make sweeping generalizations about what an entire segment of society "supports," especially if it includes abominations like the first list, it pisses me off big time. Is that enough explanation?
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| Democrats are "pro women's rights". Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it. “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.” – Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican Got it.
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| Ironically, I think an affirmative answer from Windbag on that one might actually bolster his case.
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| In light of the huge education debate the past few weeks, I can't help but wonder: Democrats are staunchly pro-abortion. "Freedom of choice" they say. But they despise the thought of school vouchers (Because it would take money away from unions). So I conclude.... Democrats are only pro-choice when it comes to killing a child, not educating one. Also, they believe in equal rights under the law for everyone, except on April 15th when taxes are due. |
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| European Union Must Be Destroyed To Prevent 'Eurabia' Many have already written off Western Europe as lost to Islam. I would be lying if I said that I didn't entertain the same thoughts sometimes, but I do see encouraging signs of a real shift of public opinion beneath the surface. Judging from information such as the extremely high number of Germans hostile to Islam, Europe can be saved. But this hope hinges on the complete destruction of the European Union. The EU must die or or Europe will die. It’s that simple. Bat Ye’or in her book Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis is right in pointing out that ordinary Europeans have never voted for this merger with the Islamic world through massive Muslim immigration and Multiculturalism. This is closely tied to the rise of the European Union, which has transferred power away from the people and the democratic process to behind-the-scenes deals made by corrupt, Eurabian officials and bureaucrats. Several observers have noted that there is a serious disconnect between the European elites and ordinary citizens. This has been made possible largely because of the EU. Global Politician - European Union Must Be Destroyed To Prevent 'Eurabia' The Destruction of American Education The Destruction of American Education On "Diversity": The Big Lie - The Fraud of "Diversity" - What Destroyed America's Cities Young America's Foundation Volume 4: The destructive effects of multiculturalism world wide being mapped out and taught to our kids is intended to eradicate the dominate cultures to establish a new world order run by the progressive secular global elites.... Homosexuality, Abortion and decadence are mechanisms to divide and conquer Godly based morality within the dominant cultures.... Thus the govt becomes god and dictates morality according to the secular monkey god elite global rulers... We are the dominate Judeo-Christian Culture, which is all inclusive under our God, in this Country which was established by Judeo-Christians, and we are not like minded when it comes to a foreign religion, secular or otherwise, usurping our Country or Culture.... I'm sure the progressive secular global elite have it in their agenda, and if were still able we will see it unfold, and I do not think it bodes well for Christian, Jew or Muslim.... I believe the secularist elitists are playing one against the other to the hilt to achieve their ends... Volume 4 | The Journal of Multiculturalism in Education Cultural Marxist 2: Subversion and Perversion of America's Youth Cultural Marxist 2: Subversion and Perversion of America's Youth 13 Steps to Destroy America's Youth! 13 Steps to Destroy America's Youth! Throughout my adult life governments around the Western world have been propagating the gospel of multiculturalism, which tells us that immigrants, from whatever part of the world and whatever way of life, are a welcome part of our "multicultural" society. Differences of language, religion, custom, and attachment don't matter, they have reassured us, since all can form part of the colorful tapestry of the modern state. Anybody who publicly disagreed with that claim invited the attentions of the thought police, always ready with the charge of racism, and never so scrupulous as to think it a sin to destroy the career of someone, provided he was white, indigenous, and male. To be quite honest, living through this period of organized mendacity has been one of the least agreeable ordeals that we conservatives have had to undergo. Keeping your head down is bad enough; but filling your head with official lies means sacrificing thought as well as freedom. The American Spectator : Multiculturalism, R.I.P. Multiculturalism Hits the Wall American Thinker: Multiculturalism Hits the Wall In the Shadow of Leviathan: America's Arising Fear-Based Society The Destruction of America - Phase II: Multiculturalism The Destruction of America - Phase II: Multiculturalism Immigration and multiculturalism: Why are the conservatives silent? Immigration and multiculturalism: Why are the conservatives silent? The End of White America? The End of White America? - Magazine - The Atlantic Last edited by zeitgeist2012; 03-01-2011 at 09:21 PM. |
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| First...I have no idea if she was a progressive or not. For all I know, she was a conservative Republican. Second...I didn't say I didn't want to know, I said I don't care...and I don't. There is no one espousing anything like you are claiming today and there hasn't been since Poppa Bush and the neo-cons championed birth control as a means to control communist populations. Third...you are still a liar, and like I said before, Jesus will deal with you in the end. Abortion was actively encouraged and promoted by the eugenics movement. I don't question that at all, but that does not mean today's liberal supports abortion because of the support of abortion by the eugenics movement. Here's another analogy: The KKK is known for its stance of white supremacy. Its members are white. I am white. Does it follow suit that I must be a member of the KKK and support the idea of white supremacy because I am white? Immie I'm pro life, I make no apologies for that. I am also tolerant (not accepting but tolerant) of other people's view on abortion. Mine is personal, based on my religion. Other's choose a different path and I accept that. But.... abortion should not be a first option... it should be the option of last resort. Historically, there was - perhaps - a stronger need for abortion.... Today, there are a huge variety of options - and abortion should be falling, but it is not. Why? |
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| He's not lying, Ravi. He's right. Politics aside, abortion was actively encouraged and promoted as a way to rid society of it's 'undesirables'. Those 'undesirables' included minorities, less well educated or educationally challenged, and the poor. Sad, but factually accurate. Abortion was actively encouraged and promoted by the eugenics movement. I don't question that at all, but that does not mean today's liberal supports abortion because of the support of abortion by the eugenics movement. Here's another analogy: The KKK is known for its stance of white supremacy. Its members are white. I am white. Does it follow suit that I must be a member of the KKK and support the idea of white supremacy because I am white? Immie I'm pro life, I make no apologies for that. I am also tolerant (not accepting but tolerant) of other people's view on abortion. Mine is personal, based on my religion. Other's choose a different path and I accept that. But.... abortion should not be a first option... it should be the option of last resort. Historically, there was - perhaps - a stronger need for abortion.... Today, there are a huge variety of options - and abortion should be falling, but it is not. Why?
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| Ironically, I think an affirmative answer from Windbag on that one might actually bolster his case. |
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| He's not lying, Ravi. He's right. Politics aside, abortion was actively encouraged and promoted as a way to rid society of it's 'undesirables'. Those 'undesirables' included minorities, less well educated or educationally challenged, and the poor. Sad, but factually accurate. Abortion was actively encouraged and promoted by the eugenics movement. I don't question that at all, but that does not mean today's liberal supports abortion because of the support of abortion by the eugenics movement. Here's another analogy: The KKK is known for its stance of white supremacy. Its members are white. I am white. Does it follow suit that I must be a member of the KKK and support the idea of white supremacy because I am white? Immie I'm pro life, I make no apologies for that. I am also tolerant (not accepting but tolerant) of other people's view on abortion. Mine is personal, based on my religion. Other's choose a different path and I accept that. But.... abortion should not be a first option... it should be the option of last resort. Historically, there was - perhaps - a stronger need for abortion.... Today, there are a huge variety of options - and abortion should be falling, but it is not. Why? I understand what you are saying and I think I understand what Avatar is saying, but what I am getting from Avatar is a lack of indication that there are other factors in today's liberal point of view on the issue. Abortion was a fact long before the eugenics movement began. The eugenics movement saw abortion as a means to an end and promoted abortion. While I would guess there are some abortion promoters that do so because they are evil and would like to use abortion as a means to bringing about a perfect race, I highly doubt there are many people in that category. Most pro-choice people in America today would never even consider an abortion for themselves or their spouse. They simply feel that the government has no right to dictate on the issue. While I disagree with that because I believe that a major responsibility of government is to protect all life, I do see their point as it is much more of a libertarian point of view than my own. Immie
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