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interesting that it seems to post date Christianity

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ROMAN Mithraism does not predate Christianity, but PERSIAN Mithraism goes.

Christianity grew out of a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Judaism and the works of individuals such as St. Paul who gave us written records of this synthesis.
Mithraism and Early Christianity
while i dont "trust" Wiki, please provide another source
Wiki was the first link that came up
The link I provided and try goggling "Persian Mithraism"

"Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of the Hebrew sky God, and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both the same myth. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the earlier rituals of Mithraism, including the Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St Paul as the first "Christian" bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preaching and teaching, and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraist center.

The idea of a sacrificed saviour is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of a transformed saviour washing away sins and granting eternal life, the 7 sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic end of time when God/Ormuzd sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman Emperors, Mithraist then Christian, mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established 25th of Dec, the birthdate of Mithras, to be the birthdate of Jesus too. The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day. The Catholic Church, based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman Empire, giving us modern literalist Christianity"

Mithraism and Early Christianity

1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.

2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.

3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.

4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.

5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.

6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).

Of the following (semi) deities, legends went around that they were born of a virgin:

Augustus (his father was the god Apollo)
Agdistis
Attis
Adonis
Buddha
Dionysus
Korybas
Krishna
Mithras
Osirus
Perseus
Romulus and Remus
Tammuz
Zoroaster
Jesus

http://www.christianity-revealed.com...istianity.html

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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

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Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

zeitgeist2012's Blog | New age Spartans? or New age global Babylon?
Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Again, very well said.
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Sorry, I don't think so...better read it again....

The Constitution For The United States
Its Sources and Its Application

The Constitution For The United States, Its Sources and Its Applications - Preface and Preamble

3. Unalienable Rights - From God

Principle 3. Unalienable Rights From God

The Declaration and Constitution: Their Christian Roots

http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundin..._Religion.html

The Declaration and Constitution: Their Christian Roots - Probe Ministries

Constitution Connected to the Declaration of Independence

Minuteman's Patriot Page: A Christian Nation - Our Founders' quotes

James Madison : Quotes from a Christian

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America: Intended to be a Secular State or a Christian Nation? - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries

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"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." -- Signed, George Washington, President of the United States, 4 November 1796.

I'm sure you didn't address it because you missed it.

Care to address it now?
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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

zeitgeist2012's Blog | New age Spartans? or New age global Babylon?
Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Again, very well said.
It all depends on how you understand what you read in its proper context...

Freedom of Religion{Not Freedom From}: The Founders Views

Freedom of Religion: The Founders Views | The Next Right

http://thefoundationforum.com/2007/0...cation-to.html

http://transform-world.net/newslette...lification.pdf

The American Heritage Alliance a Christian Education Resource

Pastor Roger Anghis -- The Importance of History, Part 24

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Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Again, very well said.
Freedom of Religion{Not Freedom From}: The Founders Views

Freedom of Religion: The Founders Views | The Next Right

http://thefoundationforum.com/2007/0...cation-to.html

http://transform-world.net/newslette...lification.pdf

The American Heritage Alliance a Christian Education Resource

Pastor Roger Anghis -- The Importance of History, Part 24

Our Founding Fathers
"Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof."

Are you going to get around to this?
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I, know you have not read one thing I have posted because you respond to fast to have read anything...

The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, specifically article XI, is commonly misused in editorial columns, articles, as well as in other areas of the media, both Christian and secular. We have received numerous questions from people who have been misled by the claims that are being made, namely, that America was not founded as a Christian nation. Advocates of this idea use the Treaty of Tripoli as the foundation of their entire argument, and we believe you deserve to know the truth regarding this often misused document. The following is an excerpt from David Barton's book Original Intent:

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - Treaty of Tripoli

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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

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Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Here are a couple research articles concerning oaths that may change your point of view...

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

Exposing Liberal Lies: America's Godly Heritage

The Constitution: A Secular Theocracy?

Christians for a Test Oath

The American Heritage Alliance a Christian Education Resource

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - God: Missing in Action from American History

Why a Christian Cannot Become an American

http://vftonline.org/TestOath/whynot.htm

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I, know you have not read one thing I have posted because you respond to fast to have read anything...

The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, specifically article XI, is commonly misused in editorial columns, articles, as well as in other areas of the media, both Christian and secular. We have received numerous questions from people who have been misled by the claims that are being made, namely, that America was not founded as a Christian nation. Advocates of this idea use the Treaty of Tripoli as the foundation of their entire argument, and we believe you deserve to know the truth regarding this often misused document. The following is an excerpt from David Barton's book Original Intent:

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - Treaty of Tripoli
I read what you post on the site .. don't want to run around links and blogs for information. I'm working while I post.

The Treaty of Tripoli is VERY clear because they intentionally made it VERY Clear. There is no ambiguity in their words or purpose.

Surely any counter you have can be posted on this site.
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It is only clear in your own mind when you seperate the facts and events behind the construct of the treaty like most progressives who are attempting to undermine, and redifine our Founders, their intent or rationales behind their personal notes, letters, proclaimations and legal documents or laws post and pre-Constitutional....

Here is a good example of the facts and rationales you tend to ignor...however, history does not...

Those who attribute the Treaty of Tripoli quote to George Washington make two mistakes. The first is that no statement in it can be attributed to Washington (the treaty did not arrive in America until months after he left office); Washington never saw the treaty; it was not his work; no statement in it can be ascribed to him. The second mistake is to divorce a single clause of the treaty from the remainder which provides its context. It would also be absurd to suggest that President Adams (under whom the treaty was ratified in 1797) would have endorsed or assented to any provision which repudiated Christianity. In fact, while discussing the Barbary conflict with

Jefferson, Adams declared:

The policy of Christendom has made cowards of all their sailors before the standard of Mahomet. It would be heroical and glorious in us to restore courage to ours. 25

Furthermore, it was Adams who declared:

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. 26

Adams' own words confirm that he rejected any notion that America was less than a Christian nation.

Additionally, the writings of General William Eaton, a major figure in the Barbary Powers conflict, provide even more irrefutable testimony of how the conflict was viewed at that time. Eaton was first appointed by President John Adams as "Consul to Tunis," and President Thomas Jefferson later advanced him to the position of "U. S. Naval Agent to the Barbary States," authorizing him to lead a military expedition against Tripoli. Eaton's official correspondence during his service confirms that the conflict was a Muslim war against a Christian America.

For example, when writing to Secretary of State Timothy Pickering, Eaton apprised him of why the Muslims would be such dedicated foes:

Taught by revelation that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls, and finding so great secular advantages in the observance of this religious duty [the secular advantage of keeping captured cargoes], their [the Muslims'] inducements to desperate fighting are very powerful. 27

Eaton later complained that after Jefferson had approved his plan for military action, he sent him the obsolete warship "Hero." Eaton reported the impression of America made upon the Tunis Muslims when they saw the old warship and its few cannons:

[T]he weak, the crazy situation of the vessel and equipage [armaments] tended to confirm an opinion long since conceived and never fairly controverted among the Tunisians, that the Americans are a feeble sect of Christians. 28

In a later letter to Pickering, Eaton reported how pleased one Barbary ruler had been when he received the extortion compensations from America which had been promised him in one of the treaties:

He said, "To speak truly and candidly . . . . we must acknowledge to you that we have never received articles of the kind of so excellent a quality from any Christian nation." 29

The numerous documents surrounding the Barbary Powers Conflict confirm that historically it was always viewed as a conflict between Christian America and Muslim nations. Those documents completely disprove the notion that any founding President, especially Washington, ever declared that America was not a Christian nation or people. (Chapter 16 of Original Intent will provide numerous additional current examples of historical revisionism.)

Here is another example of progressive historical revisionism...

Repeal the 17th Amendment
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/...7th-amendment/

http://repealthe17thamendment.blogspot.com/

SEVEN PRINCIPLES OF LIBERTY

http://www.liberty1.org/seven.htm

http://www.christianparents.com/preserve.htm

http://www.myheritage.org/news/celeb...gs-of-liberty/

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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

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Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Here are a couple research articles concerning oaths that may change your point of view...

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

Exposing Liberal Lies: America's Godly Heritage

The Constitution: A Secular Theocracy?

Christians for a Test Oath

The American Heritage Alliance a Christian Education Resource

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - God: Missing in Action from American History

Why a Christian Cannot Become an American

Why a Christian Cannot Become an American
The Constitution states clearly "no prerequisite test based on religion for public office"
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You are both wrong to a very large degree on the Founders, and it is always the case where progressive parrots and progressive courts try to misinterpret and redifine the Founder's intent, personal and political documents.... Again, read and learn the true words and intent of our Founders...

zeitgeist2012's Blog | New age Spartans? or New age global Babylon?
Nothing about being wrong my friend. It is written in stone.
I read verbatim from The Constitution. It is THE LAW that there is NO religous prereguisite to hold public office.
They wrote it that way for a reason. The reason: A few Founders WANTED a religous test.
They lost out and the Founders that wanted NO religous test for office won and that language was written in The United States Constitution.
Do not believe the myths taught about the Founders. The religous folks then were The Torries and the Anglican church which sided with The Monarchy.
Our side were the rebels. They made their own whiskey, were grand smugglers, bred with their own slaves and sold off their offspring, stated publicly their disdain for European governments with their religous influences and ran at every chance they could from those influences in thye writing of The United States Constitution. It mentions God no where.
The Founders were rather UnChristlike in many ways.
Here are a couple research articles concerning oaths that may change your point of view...

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

The Battle For Religious Liberty in America

Exposing Liberal Lies: America's Godly Heritage

The Constitution: A Secular Theocracy?

Christians for a Test Oath

The American Heritage Alliance a Christian Education Resource

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

The Deception Of The U.S. Constitution

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - God: Missing in Action from American History

Why a Christian Cannot Become an American

Why a Christian Cannot Become an American
The Constitution states clearly "no prerequisite test based on religion for public office"

That is the law. It is in the Constitution.
If they were so religous how come that is written as the law and God, Creator, Jesus, Lord is mentioned no where in the Constitution?
You have not covered that. How come?
Because they argued over that and the majority VOTED AGAINST ADDING ANY OF THAT.
The Founders were great men but their actions were not very Christlike.
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It is only clear in your own mind when you seperate the facts and events behind the construct of the treaty like most progressives who are attempting to undermine, and redifine our Founders, their intent or rationales behind their personal notes, letters, proclaimations and legal documents or laws post and pre-Constitutional....

Here is a good example of the facts and rationales you tend to ignor...however, history does not...

Those who attribute the Treaty of Tripoli quote to George Washington make two mistakes. The first is that no statement in it can be attributed to Washington (the treaty did not arrive in America until months after he left office); Washington never saw the treaty; it was not his work; no statement in it can be ascribed to him. The second mistake is to divorce a single clause of the treaty from the remainder which provides its context. It would also be absurd to suggest that President Adams (under whom the treaty was ratified in 1797) would have endorsed or assented to any provision which repudiated Christianity. In fact, while discussing the Barbary conflict with

Jefferson, Adams declared:

The policy of Christendom has made cowards of all their sailors before the standard of Mahomet. It would be heroical and glorious in us to restore courage to ours. 25

Furthermore, it was Adams who declared:

The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were. . . . the general principles of Christianity. . . . I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God; and that those principles of liberty are as unalterable as human nature. 26

Adams' own words confirm that he rejected any notion that America was less than a Christian nation.

Additionally, the writings of General William Eaton, a major figure in the Barbary Powers conflict, provide even more irrefutable testimony of how the conflict was viewed at that time. Eaton was first appointed by President John Adams as "Consul to Tunis," and President Thomas Jefferson later advanced him to the position of "U. S. Naval Agent to the Barbary States," authorizing him to lead a military expedition against Tripoli. Eaton's official correspondence during his service confirms that the conflict was a Muslim war against a Christian America.

For example, when writing to Secretary of State Timothy Pickering, Eaton apprised him of why the Muslims would be such dedicated foes:

Taught by revelation that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls, and finding so great secular advantages in the observance of this religious duty [the secular advantage of keeping captured cargoes], their [the Muslims'] inducements to desperate fighting are very powerful. 27

Eaton later complained that after Jefferson had approved his plan for military action, he sent him the obsolete warship "Hero." Eaton reported the impression of America made upon the Tunis Muslims when they saw the old warship and its few cannons:

[T]he weak, the crazy situation of the vessel and equipage [armaments] tended to confirm an opinion long since conceived and never fairly controverted among the Tunisians, that the Americans are a feeble sect of Christians. 28

In a later letter to Pickering, Eaton reported how pleased one Barbary ruler had been when he received the extortion compensations from America which had been promised him in one of the treaties:

He said, "To speak truly and candidly . . . . we must acknowledge to you that we have never received articles of the kind of so excellent a quality from any Christian nation." 29

The numerous documents surrounding the Barbary Powers Conflict confirm that historically it was always viewed as a conflict between Christian America and Muslim nations. Those documents completely disprove the notion that any founding President, especially Washington, ever declared that America was not a Christian nation or people. (Chapter 16 of Original Intent will provide numerous additional current examples of historical revisionism.)

Here is another example of progressive historical revisionism...

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I repeat, I will not go to links or blogs for information.

Again, your sense of history is distorted. George Washington SIGNED the document as President of the United States .. and unless you assume the Founders to be idiots, they clearly understood the language. It was read aloud on the Senate floor and passed UNANIMOUSLY with ALL of its language.

AND none suffered any political consequences from that action.

"The significance of this article (11) that is often overlooked or ignored is that it stated categorically that the United States of America is not founded upon the Christian religion, and that this treaty, with that statement intact, was read before and passed unanimously by the United States Senate, and was signed by the President of the United States without a hint of controversy or discord, and remains the earliest and most definitive statement from the United States Senate and the President of the United States, on the secular nature of American government."
Economist's View: The 11th Article of the Treaty of Tripoli

Additionally, most of the Founders were Deists, and Deism originated as a rejection of orthodox Christianity.

You can wiggle and you can squirm brother, but the language and history of the Treaty of Tripoli, along with the writings of the Founders, CLEARLY demonstrate that their goal was to create a secular nation free from the oppression of religion.

The writings of Jefferson demonstrate a contempt for religion in government.
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