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This is a discussion on More overrated: JFK or Reagan? within the Politics forums, part of the US Discussion category; Quote: Originally Posted by Wicked Jester Quote: Originally Posted by Bfgrn Quote: Originally Posted by mdn2000 Kennedy is more over-rated, he gave us Israel, first ...
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| Whew......you're serious????? ![]() This one's a no-brainer.....literally. ![]() (.....Ever since the last nail was driven, into-his-box.) |
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| ....If you keep your eyes tightly-SHUT...and, your fingers, crossed. ![]() Quote: "On November 25, 1986, the biggest political and constitutional scandal since Watergate exploded in Washington when President Ronald Reagan told a packed White House news conference that fund$ derived from covert arms deals with the Islamic Republic of Iran had been diverted to buy weapons for the U.S.-backed Contra rebels in Nicaragua. In the weeks leading up to this shocking admission, news reports had exposed the U.S. role in both the Iran deals and the secret support for the Contras, but Reagan's announcement, in which he named two subordinates -- National Security Advisor John M. Poindexter and NSC staffer Oliver L. North -- as the responsible parties, was the first to link the two operations. The scandal was almost the undoing of the Teflon President. Of all the revelations that emerged, the most galling for the American public was the president's abandonment of the long-standing policy against dealing with terrorists, which Reagan repeatedly denied doing in spite of overwhelming evidence that made it appear he was simply lying to cover up the story." |
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| 1300 men killed by the actions of John F. Kennedy, why did Kennedy allow the Bay of Pigs to happen. Was Kennedy arrogant, the invasion was leaked to the public in newspapers, did Kennedy think Castro could not get a paper translated. Arrogant or callous indifference to the "Latin" fighters. Who thinks 1300 men can destroy an army of 200,000 #4: Kennedy's Failure at the Bay of Pigs (Top 10 Mistakes by U.S. Presidents) | Britannica Blog Quote: Somehow, word of the plan leaked to the press. On January 10, 1961, the New York Times ran a front page story under the headline, “U.S. HELPS TRAIN AN ANTI-CASTRO FORCE AT SECRET GUATEMALAN BASE.” The fact that the CIA’s secret mission to overthrow Castro was no longer a secret troubled no one in Washington. On March 11, 1961, Kennedy invited to the White House CIA Director Allen Dulles and Richard Bissell, the CIA’s chief of operations; JFK wanted to know, in detail, the plans for the invasion of Cuba. Dulles and Bissell explained that after U.S. aircraft had run bombing missions over the Bay of Pigs area, Cubans recruited from exiles living in Miami would take the beach. The CIA men expected that the invasion would inspire anti-Castro Cubans to rise up and overthrow the dictator. Kennedy didn’t like the idea of beginning the invasion with air strikes. “Too spectacular,” he said. “It sounds like D-Day. You have to reduce the noise level of the this thing.” |
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| A perfect example, of the opposite, would have been....nearly everyone, around Lyndon Johnson, who kept pushing to get more-deeply-involved in 'Nam....all "disappeared", when everything (they lobbied-for) turned-to-shit. *** Motto: Don't let anyone do your thinking, for you. Ultimately, you're the one who has to live with the outcome....not them. |
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| What....ya' want a cookie, or something? ![]() |
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| A perfect example, of the opposite, would have been....nearly everyone, around Lyndon Johnson, who kept pushing to get more-deeply-involved in 'Nam....all "disappeared", when everything (they lobbied-for) turned-to-shit. *** Motto: Don't let anyone do your thinking, for you. Ultimately, you're the one who has to live with the outcome....not them. |
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| A perfect example, of the opposite, would have been....nearly everyone, around Lyndon Johnson, who kept pushing to get more-deeply-involved in 'Nam....all "disappeared", when everything (they lobbied-for) turned-to-shit. *** Motto: Don't let anyone do your thinking, for you. Ultimately, you're the one who has to live with the outcome....not them. Vice-President Nixon was all for it, the Joint Chiefs said that "yeah, we can do it, but do want, too?", but LBJ, the Dem Senate leader convinced the President to say "no". The ironies: Kennedy may have been assassinated by Vietnamese pay master infuriated with the Diem murders; LBJ dragged us deep into the war but could not sustain it for victory; and Nixon had to extricate us. |
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| I look at it this way...the more time tha tpasses, the more positive things about Reagan, his foresight, his integrity come to the fore. The more time passes, the fewer positive things about JFK come forward, the more unsavory dealings of his come to the fore, and we see he really had very little integrity whatsoever. So I'd say Kennedy is overrated. Though most people don't even do that with him anymore. He's sort of fading into the limelight, while Reagan is gaining prestige. His evisceration of our economy was but a small-segment of his accomplishments. ![]() Quote: "Ronald Reagan--the U.S. president from 1981 to 1989--relentlessly drove this planet to the very brink of nuclear world war--while preaching, with a fundamentalist fervor, that a nuclear Armageddon was "winnable." He rallied vicious legions of fascists, killers, and mindless religious patriots to his cause--and had them trained, funded and promoted in an unprecedented way. Everything that opposed the domination by U.S. capitali$m, anything that was progressive (or even just vaguely enlightened) became a target. Christian crusaders, bigots and rightwing death squads were unleashed on the people in countless ways, both open and secret." Hell....why else do you think Lil' Dumbya TRIED to keep a "lid" on ReRon's & Daddy Bush's (collective) legacies....while he was in-Office???? ![]() |
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| Both men were great public speakers that could motivate the public. Both achieved great things. so this is little more than peoples opinions. I liked JFK, and the Dems that were around then. You had to admire a group that followed a man that said; "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!" Now that the dems have devolved into a group that demands the government take care of them and thier health care... |
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| I look at it this way...the more time tha tpasses, the more positive things about Reagan, his foresight, his integrity come to the fore. The more time passes, the fewer positive things about JFK come forward, the more unsavory dealings of his come to the fore, and we see he really had very little integrity whatsoever. So I'd say Kennedy is overrated. Though most people don't even do that with him anymore. He's sort of fading into the limelight, while Reagan is gaining prestige. One thing about Kennedy's short time in office, though, he instilled an enthusiasm for life, and there was a new vitality in DC which hadn't been there. I was a teenager at the time, and could see the difference from the Eisenhower administration. He also got people moving, and paying more attention to physical fitness. That's really when people started jogging and exercising, and they focused more on physical fitness in the schools. There was a greater emphasis on the arts and literature at the same time. ....ALL-of-which are considered problematic-areas (presently), regarding spending; i.e. no short-term-profit$!!!! |
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| Stupid OP. FDR is still the most overrated President ever and as soon as the Marxist are booted out of our educational system he will sink to the bottom where he belongs
__________________ "Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong". -- Calvin Coolidge, who along with Ronald Reagan was one of the 20th Century's 2 greatest US Presidents |
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