So we won the Iraq war, Obama is getting the credit, and leftists are still crabby

is it a victory or a retreat ?

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Do you have a better explanation for the complete failure to acknowledge that we won?

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When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.

I was pretty sure that is who we are talking about. Are you saying the people who are not willing to admit the truth are not extreme?

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I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.

That is Obama's problem, since he is insisting that combat operations are over, while keeping combat troops in Iraq and sending them out on hot missions. Even the radical left is going to have a hard time blaming Bush for this.

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I will accept the rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything -- you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.

Sure, it's you that are confused.

We won the war.

The war was a cake walk.

It was the post-war occupation with no real plan or direction that was the total disaster.

You seem to thing that there should be some praise handed out to our political leadership fucking things up there for years. I, and many others, don't. Believe me, it has nothing to do with "wanting to make America look weak" or whatever nonsense it was that you farted out in html. That shit sounds like it was pulled directly out of Rush Limbaugh's ass.

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What the fuck, Danny?

We'll never 4,000 dead soldiers back, nor the tens of thousands of wounded and maimed service men and women will get back the use of their limbs and eyes, nor the hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, nor the prestige we held prior to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

And what great good resulted from all this waste? An idiot landed on an aircraft carrier and had his picture taken in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner.

You want glory? You want parades? You want victory rallies and bon fires and skyrockets?

We just wasted so much for so little. Find your glory by helping out one of the thousands of victims of this Iraq mistake.

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To the Left there is no victory but defeat. When the US wins the rest of the world loses, and vice versa. They loved Vietnam because it was a clusterfuck and some pissant South-East Asian country kicked our arrogant American asses. That's the kind of victory the Left likes.
American victory is uncomfortable for them. It feels like imperialism. It feels like American arrogance (note the use of the word twice here). So even when we win--we achieved every objective we set before we invaded--we must lose. Because winning only strengthens the America lovers, those right wing white racist bigoted small town uneducated gun toting bible believing folks in flyover land who are too stupid to know their country is the cause and source of all unhappiness in the world.

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It's like cutting your own hand off and having it glued back on. Your happy that it got glued back on, but you wish you hadn't cut it off in the first place.

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You fucking hypocrite. You don't give two shits over 4,000 Americans dead. If you did you would actively be protesting the Afghan War where 1270 Americans have already died. But that would involve some kind of moral stand that was half way consistent, a thing you are incapable of. So instead you hide behind U.S. casualties to make some idiotic point.

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"I am not a betting man by nature, but based on the weak field of GOP candidates, combined with the death of Bin Laden, I would be willing to bet that Obama has easily secured his second term."-VaYank5150 5/2/11

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You have some sense of morality. And some warped sense of judgment.

But that doesn't stop you from making off the cuff remarks that are way far from reality. I would normally dismiss you and this idiotic post of yours, but. Afghanistan. Remember that the September 11 terrorists were trained in Afghanistan? That bin Forgotten had his base of operations there? What was in Iraq? Terrorists who attacked us? Weapons of Mass Destruction? NO! That's why Iraq was the waste it is and why Bush is an idiot for prying open that can of worms.

Now, go figure out a few things and stop making an ass of yourself by posting your assumptions and calling them facts.

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I dunno, Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Albright, Gore, etc. sure thought Iraq was a threat.... before Bush ever set foot in office I might add.. and in case you're date challenged, that's pre 9/11.

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Oh please. Your response is simply pitiful. What UN resolutions did Afghanistan violate? What treaties did we have with Afghanistan that they violated? How many al Qaeda members are in Afghanistan now (according to the administration fewer than 100)?
What are our goals in Afghanistan? Has the war there made us safer?
You are talking out of Obama's ass. And my characterization of you as a morally-challenged hypocrite remains.

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"I am not a betting man by nature, but based on the weak field of GOP candidates, combined with the death of Bin Laden, I would be willing to bet that Obama has easily secured his second term."-VaYank5150 5/2/11

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Who's being crabby?

I sense a tone of bitchiness in the OP.

Lefties are miserable fucks. Not sure if being leftwing makes you miserable or being miserable inclines a man to be leftwing.

Don't care much either. I just avoid personal contact with miserable fucks... they're buzzkill.

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