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Old 05-08-2010, 04:56 PM
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All people, immigrant or US citizen, must carry their "papers". US citizens must have in their possession by state laws their state driver's license for purpose of identification. When a person cannot recieve a valid DL due to criminal record or driving suspensions, the state DMV issues an ID-only card, same as a DL, except it will read "ID ONLY" rather than "Class D Driver's License" etc. Absent a DL, all US citizens by state law must have these in possesion.

Thankfully, cops use logic and rarely arrest or charge anyone for not having an ID because the NCIC computer system can confirm a person's identity by providing name a date of birth to the dispatcher, and the online DMV records will confirm that persons identity. So, with no ID, if a cop asks name and date of birth, he can ID you and you can move on. Failing to provide any ID info at all can land you in the booking room under "John Doe" until you can confirm proper identity.

This process is necessary so people with outstanding warrants can be caught rather than them just refusing to provide any name or info.

So, lefties should stop whining about "papers", as all humans inside our borders, by already standing law, are required to have papers or identification on them at all times.

this was already shown in another thread that it is NOT against the law to not have ID on you.....here is the excerpt from there.....


First, what the United States Supreme Court said. What the United States Supreme Court held in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial Dist. Court (2004) 542 U.S. 177, was that a state could make it a crime for a person to refuse to identify himself (i.e., tell the officer his name and address) when lawfully detained for criminal activity. Note that the Supreme Court did NOT say that any kind of identification papers could be required, nor did they say that police officers could ordinarily arrest someone for refusing to identify himself absent a state law permitting that arrest. There is no law in the United States requiring everybody to carry ID, at least not yet.

A person CANNOT be arrested just for failing to identify himself or failing to have ID, even with a lawful detention. It is NOT interfering with an officer. The only effect of not having ID occurs if a police officer has probable cause to believe an arrestee has committed a criminal offense. A police officer who could otherwise give an arrestee a citation to appear would instead take the person into custody to appear before a magistrate. But this is ONLY if the officer has probable cause to believe the person has committed a crime--NOT just because the person did not have ID.

Of course, one must have identification in his or her possession when driving, and a police officer obviously can demand to see a drivers license from any driver lawfully detained.

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and in my and Devs State....


There is NO law in California requiring anybody to carry identification. There is no law making it illegal for anyone (even someone lawfully detained) to fail to have identification papers or to refuse to identify himself (there was such a law, which was declared unconstitutional). Thus, Hiibel is of no effect in California, since there is no comparable law there. (It is, however, a crime to give a FALSE identification.)
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Here is what I have been able to find so far. It does not say anything about the modern Puerto Rican invasion and impact on our smaller urban and rural communites. It is silent! And, yet it has happened/happening for the most part in many of our communities with the aid of local gov't agencies and our tax/deficit dollars....

Further proof of the subversion of America by Purto Rico, the global Elite and crooked progressive Republicrat politicians:

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion...ubversion.html

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/04/27/...-of-statehood/

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...stionnair.html

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=591

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/iradac/confer...t%20Dhouti.pdf

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/art...icle_384.shtml

http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2010/04/

http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/201...can-statehood/

http://politifi.com/news/A-shooting-...er-242612.html

http://uncpress.unc.edu/browse/page/306

http://redalyc.uaemex.mx/pdf/377/37715102.pdf

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum...9.02.12.x.html

http://www.independencia.net/ingles/frgAffairs.html

http://www.drclas.harvard.edu/revist...cles/view/1065

http://www.seiu.org/mt/mt-search.cgi...trike&limit=20

http://www.puertorico.com/forums/lau...ity-march.html

Police State Bills:

http://www.fogcityjournal.com/wordpr...ice-state-act/

http://patricksperry.wordpress.com/2...d-scott-brown/

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All people, immigrant or US citizen, must carry their "papers". US citizens must have in their possession by state laws their state driver's license for purpose of identification. When a person cannot recieve a valid DL due to criminal record or driving suspensions, the state DMV issues an ID-only card, same as a DL, except it will read "ID ONLY" rather than "Class D Driver's License" etc. Absent a DL, all US citizens by state law must have these in possesion.

Thankfully, cops use logic and rarely arrest or charge anyone for not having an ID because the NCIC computer system can confirm a person's identity by providing name a date of birth to the dispatcher, and the online DMV records will confirm that persons identity. So, with no ID, if a cop asks name and date of birth, he can ID you and you can move on. Failing to provide any ID info at all can land you in the booking room under "John Doe" until you can confirm proper identity.

This process is necessary so people with outstanding warrants can be caught rather than them just refusing to provide any name or info.

So, lefties should stop whining about "papers", as all humans inside our borders, by already standing law, are required to have papers or identification on them at all times.
You are required to carry a driver's license if you are driving. Not if you are a passenger or are walking somewhere. I jog and don't carry ID...does that mean I'm breaking the law by not carrying my "papers" with me?
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