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DIAMOND RAVE: "Murder would be the charge... and the associated punishments that already exist"

...that would be 'first degree' 'pre-meditated' murder punishment for both the woman ('murderess') and 'the hitman' (doctor)..and anyone else who knew and didn't report would be guily of withholding, obstruction, etc. in a murder case?, etc...
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..you never get a straight answer from these phony abortion prohibitionists...but i'll try again:

SOMEWHAT SPECIFICALLY, WHAT PENALTIES WOULD YOU GODDAMNED FOOL ABORTION PROHIBITIONISTS ATTACH FOR VIOLATION OF YOUR STINKING, BIG GOVERNMENT 'ABORTION LAWS?'

...(foisting abortion 'laws' IS the number one issue for a lot of these stooopid conservative republicrat dick-heads)

Murder would be the charge... and the associated punishments that already exist

Pretty cut and dry
So, depending on the state, you would execute a woman for having an abortion? Is this America or Iran?
Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
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This imaginary woman you're so heavily invested in, is she not free to board a bus and go to another state for teh procedure?
SO...you'll pay for that then? The depth and the scope of right wing ignorance, blind statism and right wing self ONLY freedom is amazing. It truly is.

Frank, have you ever had a single thought in your life that didn't have to do with YOU? Can your beloved authority, the state, ever do anything wrong when it restricts someone ELSE'S freedoms, arrests, punishes, incarcerates or executes OTHERS?
Lemme see if I understand your hysterical ranting, she's making a life and death, life altering choice, but her biggest problem is coming up with $29 bucks for a bus?

I have a hard time understanding stupid gibberish, but is that your contention?
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DIAMOND RAVE: "Murder would be the charge... and the associated punishments that already exist"

...that would be 'first degree' 'pre-meditated' murder punishment for both the woman ('murderess') and 'the hitman' (doctor)..and anyone else who knew and didn't report would be guily of withholding, obstruction, etc. in a murder case?, etc...
depending on the case in particular and the situation.... and just as self defense is viable AT TIMES for actions resulting in the death of another, cases of the developing child causing an imminent threat to the life of the mother have consideration
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Murder would be the charge... and the associated punishments that already exist

Pretty cut and dry
So, depending on the state, you would execute a woman for having an abortion? Is this America or Iran?
Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
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...so that's the republican plan for 'the economy'..putting an army of abortion lawyers, judges, jailers, 'experts,' etc. ad nauseam to 'work' in the new conservative republican 'abortion punishment' industry!..

...btw, what about women taking a 'morning after pill'..or using an IUD for that matter...they are guilty of 1st degree murder too, right diamondknave?!..

..(let's wager on how long it takes for diamondknave to start bitching again about 'big bad government')

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So, depending on the state, you would execute a woman for having an abortion? Is this America or Iran?
Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
Take it as you will.. go and serve the warrant.. nice attempt to try and make this a biblical thing... what next, bring up Abraham and what he was going to do to his son? Jericho?
I know, some of the old laws of ancient Japan or the civilizations of South America?

Don't take it that just because I am against the murder of innocent developing children that I am some literal bible thumper
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...so that's the republican plan for 'the economy'..putting an army of abortion lawyers, judges, jailers, 'experts,' etc. ad nauseam to 'work' in the new conservative republican 'abortion punishment' industry!..

...btw, what about women taking a 'morning after pill'..or using an IUD for that matter...they are guilty of 1st degree murder too, right diamondknave?!..

..(let's wager on how long it takes for diamondknave to start bitching again about 'big bad government')
IUD or birth control is not the same as an abortion... Morning after pill is yet another example of technology and advancement muddying up the waters.... is it really birth control or is it the elimination of a developing life that has already started? As far as I know (and I have done little reading on the subject) it is one designed to have any egg flushed from the system, not operating on the premise of any developing human fetus that is embedded and growing within the mother

What next, trying to parallel this to masturbation or cosmetic surgery?

This has nothing to do with anything but the government's or law enforcement's charge to protect innocent life... just as you are not allowed to kill an innocent newborn or other dependent innocent being for your convenience... the government is allowed to intrude in your personal life when you are indeed killing someone for your choice of convenience... funny how it is more of a uproar or crime to kill a cat, than it is a developing human
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SO...you'll pay for that then? The depth and the scope of right wing ignorance, blind statism and right wing self ONLY freedom is amazing. It truly is.

Frank, have you ever had a single thought in your life that didn't have to do with YOU? Can your beloved authority, the state, ever do anything wrong when it restricts someone ELSE'S freedoms, arrests, punishes, incarcerates or executes OTHERS?
Lemme see if I understand your hysterical ranting, she's making a life and death, life altering choice, but her biggest problem is coming up with $29 bucks for a bus?

I have a hard time understanding stupid gibberish, but is that your contention?
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So, depending on the state, you would execute a woman for having an abortion? Is this America or Iran?
Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
How exactly do you know this is God's word and not Moses going off on a tangent? What did Hammurabi's Code say on the matter? What are the Similarities between the two?

Let's distinguish between God and what People declare in His Name.
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Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
Take it as you will.. go and serve the warrant.. nice attempt to try and make this a biblical thing... what next, bring up Abraham and what he was going to do to his son? Jericho?
I know, some of the old laws of ancient Japan or the civilizations of South America?

Don't take it that just because I am against the murder of innocent developing children that I am some literal bible thumper
When people like you want to play God, the Bible has to comes into play.

Genesis 2:7: “and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul”.

What about a woman who uses birth control pills, an IUD or a morning after pill? 25 years?
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Murder... the illegal taking of another human life... the developing child is indeed a life with its own unique DNA signature... it is a life of its own, even if dependent on another for current survival.... it is no different than murdering an infant, a person in a coma, or an old person dependent on the support of others

Execution is only for specific situation cases of 1st degree murder.... there are various punishments for murder up to and including the death penalty
Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
How exactly do you know this is God's word and not Moses going off on a tangent? What did Hammurabi's Code say on the matter? What are the Similarities between the two?

Let's distinguish between God and what People declare in His Name.
Here is your task pea brain...bring unto me a book written by God's hand.
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Then God should be executed.

Num 5:29-30
This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.


According to this law, if a husband suspects that his wife has been unfaithful, he can force her to submit to a trial by ordeal. The woman must then drink a holy potion made with water and dust from the floor of the tabernacle. If the woman is innocent, drinking the bitter water that brings curses will not affect her. If the woman is guilty, she will become ill and any fetus she carries in her womb will miscarry.
How exactly do you know this is God's word and not Moses going off on a tangent? What did Hammurabi's Code say on the matter? What are the Similarities between the two?

Let's distinguish between God and what People declare in His Name.
Here is your task pea brain...bring unto me a book written by God's hand.
Me think's that the connect to God's hand, lies within each of us. What's with the pea fettish???
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