How about a flat 10% income tax?

Your fantasys are not reality.

Dont expect thinking people to join you in your fantasy land.

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I disagree. the only reason you think it's unworkable is because you want the government to be massive and refuse to deal with the corruption inherent in the current system.

But if we followed the Constitution and didnt add all these pet projects, we would have a much cleaner system and expenses would be considerably less.

I would also like to see the various departments stop with the "we have to spend every cent we are given" mentality. We need to create some sort of incentive to produce cost efficient government.

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“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

TM, the only fantasy we are dealing with is the idea that we can borrow Trillions of dollars and spend money we dont have indefinitely.

We need to see some serious spending reform soon or the Chinese will be collecting our debt with our blood.

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“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

Then quit whining about paying taxes and belly up and pay for the wars you cheered on.

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War is one of the few legitimate activities our federal government controls. Defense spending is not bad. Unconstitutional spending and wasteful spending is.

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“The living of one protective principle of the gospel is better than a thousand compensatory government programs—which programs are, so often, like ‘straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.’ ” Neal A Maxwell

“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

You aren't talking to me because I never cheered for any war. yet I still think government takes too much of our money.

That must be real confusing for you

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What do you claim is unconstitutional spending?

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Spending for anything not expressly granted by the Constitution of the United States. In case you don't know, the Constitution is the highest law of our land and gives the Federal government it's power. Any power that isnt given the Federal government is retained by the States and the People.

There is alot of spending that is authorized.

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“The living of one protective principle of the gospel is better than a thousand compensatory government programs—which programs are, so often, like ‘straightening the deck chairs on the Titanic.’ ” Neal A Maxwell

“The Lord works from the inside out. The world works from the outside in. The world would take people out of the slums. Christ takes the slums out of people, and then they take themselves out of the slums. The world would mold men by changing their environment. Christ changes men, who then change their environment. The world would shape human behavior, but Christ can change human nature." -ETB

Well the Russians use a flat tax set at 17% last I heard almost no deductions.

That said I'd say 10% of ALL income from any form with no auto withholding. That means income from investments/trusts and other forms of monetary shelters are included.

Those that made less than $20k (adjusted for inflation and COLI) would be exempt

75% of all charitable deductions
100% health care costs incurred in a year

I would also move tax day to election day. Taxes payable at the polls. (be nice if you could bar voters who have not filed for an extension or paid their tax.)

And with no auto-withholding, you end the interest free loan to government every individual is forced to give, plus ease paperwork on businesses who are forced to collect it saving lots of business expense.

The tax form is simple for everyone. Calculate your total earnings in a year, subtract off your charitable givings and health care costs and boom, that's the check you write, and hand in on election day. Just to make sure you remember who's fucking you over at the ballot box.

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"Everyone's a hypocrite. After that it is just a question of subject and scale."

Pretty much every executive branch cabinet position made after 1951 is unconstitutional. Large chunks of the DHS should be folded back into the DoJ and DoD and DoTreas.

But the DoEnergy, NASA, EPA, DoEducation, HUD, HHS, and about 10 others are unconstitutionally usurped powers from the violation of the 10th amendment and doctrine of checks and balances and separation of powers.

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Boncher's Maxim
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NAME them, that was my question and you know it.

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Anything that does not fall under the specific and enumerated powers of the US Constitution by the federal government violates this and is the domain of the states.

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If Jesus was a Socialist, he would have paid for our sins on the cross with someone else's blood.

Boncher's Maxim
"Everyone's a hypocrite. After that it is just a question of subject and scale."

Now someone with a brain speaks! Yes!

Why is it no country in the world can opperate on a 10% flat tax?

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LOL, ahh that old stupid argument, to which would one could say then why don't YOU belly up and pay for all the stupid entitlements you continually cheer on..... You and your ilk are the ones that want them, you just don't want to pay for them.

Freakin' Hypocrit.