You sign a petition to curb gay rights. Should your name be public?

According to whom? Because I KNOW you don't think we're just going to take your word for it.

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Rob you know for a fact that I know your name.

I think that should say post #224. I'll check.

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I love it. "The USSC should rule that this law is valid because of this law." Circular reasoning at it's finest.

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A chalk outline is being drawn around common sense in this country, and most Americans can't even identify the victim. - Dennis Miller

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

And how does any of this apply to the discussion on Ref 71 and the withholding of petitioners names?

I never once mentioned this guy until after you brought him up.

The discussion centered around the reason the gay activists wanted to publicize the names of the petitioners. It seems pretty obvious that the only reason is to intimidate those who have already signed the petition. That can only lead to violence which is the reason this is being discussed. Most people who sign petitions like that do not expect to be drug out into the public square to be flogged for exercising the right to sign a petition.

I think the name of "Madeline" that you were looking for is Madeline Murray O'Hair. She was a lead figure in the atheist movement for a long time. A public figure and a contentious one at that. She put herself in the public light. She was not "outed" to use an over used phrase. And no, she did not deserve to be harassed.

Immie

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I will say it again. Arguing in favor of a law by citing the very law under consideration is ignorant.

But at least you're consistent.

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A chalk outline is being drawn around common sense in this country, and most Americans can't even identify the victim. - Dennis Miller

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

The law she cited as evidence is the very law that's at issue before the Supreme Court. Case NOT closed.

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Knowledge is one of the few things that can be given to others without reducing the amount you have left.

A chalk outline is being drawn around common sense in this country, and most Americans can't even identify the victim. - Dennis Miller

The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

And who here has been defending anti-abortion protesters in threatening or harassing opponents?

Signing a petition is not vocally entering the public debate on an issue. It is nothing more than signing a petition asking that something be brought to a vote. It doesn't even mean that the person who signs the petition supports the issue.

For instance, I despise commuter transportation. Florida government officials are pushing a new "high speed rail" system that will go from Tampa to Orlando and eventually Miami. It will I am sure do more to interfere with traffic over the next thirty years while they build the damn thing than it will lessen traffic in the hundred years following, but still we are going to get that damned thing shoved down our throats come hell or high water. If presented with a petition for it, I might sign it hoping to block it by turning the vote against it.

What you deem legitimate may not seem legitimate to the family who suddenly has 20 gay activists planted outside his house threatening him and his children because he is a Christian that does not support gay marriage.

Immie

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No, it's interesting that I went ti knowthyneighbor and there was nothing about harrassing people.

By petitioning the government one starts a public debate. The backers and signers of public petitions become public figures when they enter the publicc arena.

I really do wish you were capable of being as civil as most others have been here.

I have not gone into the face of anyone nor do I advocate others doing so...unless that person has made public appearancesm

To just shout slogans about leftists at me stifles debate.

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Too bad you didn't play along. We could've had a knock down, drag down public fauf fight. LOL

I don't understand the desire for keeping public records under wraps.

The stories of harrassment are mostly exaggerated, bogus and not traced to the public postings.

The names of people who have campaigned in support of marriage equality have been public. Nobidy I've heard of has conplained about people knowing they what they support..

Petitions are public expressions. They are not ballot questions or votes.

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Asked at a forum in April about Fox's heavy coverage of the "tea party" movement, Murdoch said: "I don't think we should be supporting the tea party or any other party."

You truly are an imbecille!

None of the posters here who have read the other posts questions whether petitions are public records...because they all know neither side in the case disputes that facty.

Jesus Christ...leave here and troll elsewhere. Let the adults have a conversation without having to listen to your imbecillic whines.

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Asked at a forum in April about Fox's heavy coverage of the "tea party" movement, Murdoch said: "I don't think we should be supporting the tea party or any other party."

A petition is not a vote. And how would the petitions be validated if no information could be released.

I could say I have a petition with 4 million signatures calling for the execution of Bush. If it was confidential who could prove me wrong?

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I'd rather just have balanced bias... like Fox is

Are you drinking and not sharing with the rest of us?

nobidy? conplained?

I have not complained because I don't know anyone's name who has been "outed" as being an equality of marriage supporter that did not want their name publicized.

According to an earlier post, by Jillian I believe, it is only recently that they have become public information. If that is the case, I have not confirmed that, then it is a good thing that this law is being reviewed. That is what we have the Supreme Court for, isn't it?

I do believe that this can only lead to violence.

You mentioned the KTN website. I'd like to point something out to you:

KnowThyNeighbor.org: Whosigned.org Refutes Intimidation Charges; Will Post Names of Petition Signers as Planned

That is the same argument that Operation Rescue used when they were accused of being responsible for anti-abortion murders.

No "organized" plan out there doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. Nor does it mean that they don't hope that someone out there will do something violent.

I say let the Supreme Court rule on this issue. They can decide whether or not a petitioner can do so anonymously or whether it violates the rights of those who oppose the petitioners. The Supreme Court can review this and decide whether or not there is a serious threat or if there is justification for protecting the rights of the petitioners.

Immie

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Nobody questioned the right of the "Supervisor of Elections", Florida's title for the person responsible to verify signatures, to verify the names of the petitioners. The question has been whether or not they could (it seems that according to current law they can) or whether they should.

Immie

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I know, but I figured you figured nobody would take you up on your offer when I already did over a year ago. I just knew ahead of time.

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You keep saying ''can lead to violence'' as if nothing else can lead to violence.

The fact that most people were ignorant of the public nature of petitions is irrelevant. The backers of the petition obviously left that part out during their specious tales of what signing a petition was about.

Before the CA. Prop. 8 petition drive, it was established fact...knowledge ...that gay marriage proponents had web sites up listing the publicly available names of petition signers.

This knowledge was there for years.

I mention the bigoted Asian christian because his is an example the court just ruled on...he was denied the option to withdraw from a case he helped instigate.

Madelaine was indeed harrassed for her public opinions. Went with the territory. Same with signers of public petitions.

You use terms like 'flogging'l and doing so is hyberbolic and inflamatory.

The courts will not grant special cicumstances for the Prop. 8 signers. They shoukd have known what they were getting into. It was not a new thing that their names would appear on public sites

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Asked at a forum in April about Fox's heavy coverage of the "tea party" movement, Murdoch said: "I don't think we should be supporting the tea party or any other party."