Which band do you think has a bigger influence on new music today?

Probably Black Sabbath. Zeppelin was huge, of course, but I bet more metal bands can trace musical roots to Sabbath. Not just bands like Candlemass or old ones like St. Vitus, but across the board.

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I agree.

Throughout the 80's Zeppelin's influence reigned supreme. But from grunge forward, I hear Sabbath influences more than any other.

Sabbath is the root of all things metal.


your question reminds me of the ole "which is the greatest rock band: the rolling stones or the beatles"


the answer, of course, being the stones since the beatles were a pop band making hits while the stones were stealing American blues.

That goes without saying.

But I didn't qualify the question as metal only.

eesh.. I was hoping that would suffice since I can't decide.



My conundrum lately has been which is the greater musical genius: Stevie Wonder or Willie Nelson. my first instinct is to say Stevie.. but then I listen to the Red Headed Stranger album by willie and take a gander at the list of songs he wrote.

That's actually a tough call.

But as long as we can all agree that U2 sucks donkey balls and Bono suffers from a messiah complex, then I think we'll have made real progress.

I have just gained a new level of respect for you, dude! I've ALWAYS hated that band. The Edge? gimme a break... The Suck is more like it.

You would have to define "new music today." What genre? LZ was by far the more popular band, but I really wouldn't classify them in the same genre as Black Sabbath. Zeppelin was more of a druggie-head music type band with some metal than heavy metal. Their style of music, IMO, was in its heyday then and they were just one of the best at it.


Sabbath was more of an early heavy metal band. You didn't put on the Sabbath LP to mellow out in the corner. Most of their stuff is good to work out on the heavy bag to.

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I disagree. The Beatles made rock music what it is today. They trasnformed the genre from 50s-60s American pop to drug influenced heavy rock.

The Stones, IMO, are the flipside. They started out racier than the Beatles, but end up a pop band in the 80s.

I DO think they are a better inter-genre comparison than Zeppelin and Sabbath.

Whereabouts in there would you toss The Who? They were pretty badass until someone told Roger Daltrey he could act.

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I agree regarding the Beatles, and even though Sgt Pepper came out before I was born, I can play it today and it still sounds brand new. I find it hard to categorize The Who other than to say that their best work is very original. I find little derivative about Who's Next, and Quadraphenia towers about most contemporary music. The Stones...Exile on Main Street is simply some of the best Rock/Blues music ever created.

I actually listen to all four groups (5 if you include The Who) regularly. I honestl don't think there is a real comparison here beyond a matter of personal preference. I woudl further add that personal preference is sometimes dictated by memories -- the times and events that surrounded certain music. It's hard for people from different generations to relate to the tastes of those that preceeded/followed them.

Not having a real idea of anyone's age in this thread, I find it interesting in and of itself that people I KNOW (especially if you were born after Sgt Pepper - braggart) are from different generations can actually appreciate the same music from the same groups. THAT, to me, is what makes each of the groups mentioned great in their own right -- that they transcend time.

Face it, most groups belong to an era and are stuck there. You can take Zeppelin, Sabbath, the Stones and the Beatles and stand them up against today's music.

As far as Manifold is concerned -- he can take U2 and stand them up against a wall with blindfolds. Probably ought to negrep him for defiling his own thread by even including them.

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That's true BUT this is a Zeppelin v Sabbath thread.

Ozzy said that the Beatles were the biggest influence on him.

I'd say Sabbath, but maybe that's because I liked them better. But I think they had more influence in heavy metal than Zeppelin.

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As much as they were derivative, unoriginal and some say they actually stole a lot of their material, I think Zeppelin had far more influence on the people who followed.

Am I right? Dunno.... but it's my opinion on the subject.

As for innovation... but for the Beatles and Paul McCartney, we wouldn't even have lead guitarists.

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