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06-17-2009, 08:31 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by del sealybobo, bringing us yesterday's news tomorrow. The White House confirmed Wednesday that its new budget next month will not request a full year’s funding for the war in Iraq, leaving the next president and Congress to confront major cost questions soon after taking office in 2009.
The decision reverses the administration’s stance of just a year ago, when President Bush’s budget made a point of spelling out in advance what he thought the costs would be for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for 2008. By comparison, the new budget, to be unveiled Feb. 4, requests only incremental “bridge” funding into 2009 and won’t sustain the military through the full length of the fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30, 2009. Bush budget won't fully fund Iraq war - David Rogers - Politico.com | 
06-17-2009, 08:35 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by del sealybobo, bringing us yesterday's news tomorrow. Well you guys tend to forget yesterday.
This is one Christmas gift U.S. taxpayers don't need. Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq is scheduled to be completed Dec. 25. But the decision to build it was based on bad planning and botched paperwork.
The project is too far along to stop, making the mess hall a future monument to the waste and inefficiency plaguing the war effort, according to an independent panel investigating contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In its first report to Congress, the Wartime Contracting Commission presents a bleak assessment of how tens of billions of dollars have been spent since 2001. The 111-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, documents poor management, weak oversight, and a failure to learn from past mistakes as recurring themes in wartime contracting.
The report is scheduled to be made public Wednesday at a hearing held by the House Oversight and Government Reform's national security subcommittee.
U.S. reliance on contractors has grown to "unprecedented proportions," says the bipartisan commission, established by Congress last year. More than 240,000 private sector employees are supporting military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands more work for the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development.
But the government has no central data base of who all these contractors are, what services they provide, and how much they're paid. The Pentagon has failed to provide enough trained staff to watch over them, creating conditions for waste and corruption, the commission says. APNewsBreak: Major problems found in war spending - Yahoo! News
We watched billions or trillions disappear when we gave Bush all his "supplimental" war funds.
So now the GOP have the balls to not fund the troops because the bill has some pork in it? At least if that money is pissed away, it'll be pissed away in America.
You guys seem to forget that all the money stolen in Iraq will never come back. Not in taxes, not in trickle down, not anyway. | 
06-17-2009, 09:34 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo
Quote: Originally Posted by del sealybobo, bringing us yesterday's news tomorrow. Well you guys tend to forget yesterday.
This is one Christmas gift U.S. taxpayers don't need. Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq is scheduled to be completed Dec. 25. But the decision to build it was based on bad planning and botched paperwork.
The project is too far along to stop, making the mess hall a future monument to the waste and inefficiency plaguing the war effort, according to an independent panel investigating contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.
In its first report to Congress, the Wartime Contracting Commission presents a bleak assessment of how tens of billions of dollars have been spent since 2001. The 111-page report, obtained by The Associated Press, documents poor management, weak oversight, and a failure to learn from past mistakes as recurring themes in wartime contracting.
The report is scheduled to be made public Wednesday at a hearing held by the House Oversight and Government Reform's national security subcommittee.
U.S. reliance on contractors has grown to "unprecedented proportions," says the bipartisan commission, established by Congress last year. More than 240,000 private sector employees are supporting military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thousands more work for the State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development.
But the government has no central data base of who all these contractors are, what services they provide, and how much they're paid. The Pentagon has failed to provide enough trained staff to watch over them, creating conditions for waste and corruption, the commission says. APNewsBreak: Major problems found in war spending - Yahoo! News
We watched billions or trillions disappear when we gave Bush all his "supplimental" war funds.
So now the GOP have the balls to not fund the troops because the bill has some pork in it? At least if that money is pissed away, it'll be pissed away in America.
You guys seem to forget that all the money stolen in Iraq will never come back. Not in taxes, not in trickle down, not anyway. from your post, dumbo
"Democrats have included a $5 billion increase for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to help aid nations affected by the global financial crisis."
tell me again how that money's gonna "be pissed away in america."?
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06-17-2009, 09:47 AM
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06-17-2009, 10:16 AM
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Rep Power: 84 | | WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 ? With its rising budget deficit and ballooning trade imbalance, the United States is running up a foreign debt of such record-breaking proportions that it threatens the financial stability of the global economy, according to a report released Wednesday by the International Monetary Fund. I.M.F. Says U.S. Debts Threaten World Economy - The New York Times
The U.S. Congress stripped the $18 billion Clinton Administration request for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) from an emergency spending bill on April 23, marking the first major legislative defeat since Congress began considering the funding last year. Called a "supplemental" spending bill, the legislation would have provided some $18 billion in new funding for the IMF, something the Clinton Administration has called a "high priority" for this legislative session.
The U.S. reaction to funding the IMF is important because much of the IMF's future is riding on America's reaction to this funding issue. For example, the IMF is not just requesting $18 billion from the U.S., but is asking for a 45 percent increase in donations from all 182 members of the IMF. Many countries are watching the U.S. to see how much the IMF's largest donor is dedicated to the 50 year old institution. Some IMF watchers already are claiming that if the U.S. votes down the funding request, other countries will follow suit - leading eventually to diminishing IMF influence and membership.
The U.S. Senate recently passed a supplemental spending bill that includes funding for the U.S. peacekeeping missions in Bosnia and the Middle East, disaster relief for storm victims here in the U.S., and the IMF. However, the House broke these funding requests into two separate supplemental bills. The first including funding for Bosnia, the Middle East, and disaster relief. The second includes funding for the IMF and $500 million to help pay U.S. arrears to the United Nations (U.N.). In order for any bill to reach the President for signature, it must pass both houses of Congress in identical form (any differences are worked out in a conference committee between House and Senate members, before returning to the floor for final passage in both houses).
Theres the issue in bold, this is not an issue of not supporting the troops as I'm sure this was the original intent of the people in the Senate Committie who wished to score some points at the expense of the military hoped for. In fact congress has passed legislation for the IMF before as seperate issues and I'm sure it would have passed this time. It's rather "two faced" to say to the troops here is less money that we gave you last year , and oh by the way we are also using this bill to stuff in a bunch of pet projects at your expense , hope you don't mind.
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Rep Power: 19 | | | SeaBoob, as entertaining as you can be, at some point I get concerned when I see you purposely humiliating yourself, as you have with this thread. Please consider stopping by your local mental health agency.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny
Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo House Republicans are preparing to vote en bloc against the $106 billion war-spending bill, a position once unthinkable for the party that characterized the money as support for the troops.
For years, Republicans portrayed the bills funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as matters of national security and accused Democrats who voted against them of voting against the troops.
In 2005, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) went so far as to say sending troops into battle and not paying for it would be an “immoral thing to do.” And just last year, more House Republicans voted for the war supplemental bill than did Democrats, who opposed the legislation because it did little to wind down the military effort in Iraq.
But Republicans say this year is different. Democrats have included a $5 billion increase for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to help aid nations affected by the global financial crisis. Republicans say that is reason enough to vote against the entire $106 billion spending bill and are certain voters will understand.
But wait!!!
This is Boehner in 1998:
That wasn't Boehner's tune in 1998, when the Clinton administration requested $18 billion in IMF funding to ameliorate the effects of the Asian financial crisis.
"I have been as critical about the IMF as many, but given the crisis we have around the world, the U.S. needs to provide leadership," the Ohio Republican told the [Newark, N.J.] Star Ledger in Oct. 1998. "The only real avenue is the IMF."
His comments were in keeping with the rest of the House GOP leadership at the time, including then-Speaker Newt Gingrich, who said the U.S. had "an obligation to work with" the fund. Boehner backed IMF funding in '98 - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
And how much garbage was in Bush's "supplimental war bills"? Shall we look? We know that 75% went to private contractors and only 25% went to the troops, and we also know the troops were under funded under Bush.
Now a small percentage of the bill is going to the IMF and the GOP have the balls to not fund the troops? Fine! We'll use this against them in 2010.
For the record, I agree with the GOP to not fund these bullshit wars. Its just their hypocricy that makes me sick!!! Read your own link, moron. The GOP opposes the IMF pork attached to the funding, so your thread title is once again, just more partisan lying from you. Yea, they always have an excuse why they vote against the troops. Only a fool would believe them. McCain & the GOP voted against the troops 80% and Obama/Webb/The Dems voted for the troops 80% of the time.
Even when McCain voted against the vets last year, Bush went on tv and gave him credit. That should be all the proof you need that they are scandalous liars and you are a sucker.
PS. I told you George Bush broke the military. Do you know how they are holding it together? We now have 100,000 soldiers in the military who have psychological or criminal problems. I heard that on tv last night. It was a show about don't ask don't tell. So we have qualified gay people who can speak arabic that can't join because of you homophobes but we can let criminals and crazies in?
It was only 8000 in 2006. What happened? Remember you were talking shit about how the army wasn't broken? Are you sure you served? Because you seem to have a very ignorant view of the military and how things are going. Everytime I mention a problem, you deny it. Maybe you're one of those phony soldiers Rush was talking about. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/004074.html
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06-23-2009, 07:17 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus SeaBoob, as entertaining as you can be, at some point I get concerned when I see you purposely humiliating yourself, as you have with this thread. Please consider stopping by your local mental health agency. You got something that backs up your position that the GOP does support the troops? Voting records, anything? Anything you find will be bullshit/spin/lies. Just like McCain LIED when he said he got a good grade from veteran groups.
McCain's record against the troops John McCain's record of voting AGAINST our troops, page 1 OpenSecrets | Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama - Capital Eye
Even the real troops understand this. Only retired/retarded soldiers who are brainwashed argue with me. Are you another phony soldier?
John McCain voted against funding the troops because of . . . a timeline in it to draw down American troops." PolitiFact | Statements on Iraq
Sen. McCain was already turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, and he became a leading supporter of an invasion and occupation of (Iraq)."
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo
Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus SeaBoob, as entertaining as you can be, at some point I get concerned when I see you purposely humiliating yourself, as you have with this thread. Please consider stopping by your local mental health agency. You got something that backs up your position that the GOP does support the troops? Voting records, anything? Anything you find will be bullshit/spin/lies. Just like McCain LIED when he said he got a good grade from veteran groups.
McCain's record against the troops John McCain's record of voting AGAINST our troops, page 1 OpenSecrets | Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama - Capital Eye
Even the real troops understand this. Only retired/retarded soldiers who are brainwashed argue with me. Are you another phony soldier?
John McCain voted against funding the troops because of . . . a timeline in it to draw down American troops." PolitiFact | Statements on Iraq
Sen. McCain was already turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, and he became a leading supporter of an invasion and occupation of (Iraq)."
True SeaBoob ............. did you even read the words of mine which you quoted?
My position is that your are a raving idiot and you just proved it by quoting one thing and then ranting about something else. Your nuts, off the hook, out of control, .........  ...... lol
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Rep Power: 19 | | | By the way SeaBoob, since when does John McCain make up the entire GOP? Whew ............. go back to sleep!
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06-23-2009, 08:13 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus
Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo
Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus SeaBoob, as entertaining as you can be, at some point I get concerned when I see you purposely humiliating yourself, as you have with this thread. Please consider stopping by your local mental health agency. You got something that backs up your position that the GOP does support the troops? Voting records, anything? Anything you find will be bullshit/spin/lies. Just like McCain LIED when he said he got a good grade from veteran groups.
McCain's record against the troops John McCain's record of voting AGAINST our troops, page 1 OpenSecrets | Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama - Capital Eye
Even the real troops understand this. Only retired/retarded soldiers who are brainwashed argue with me. Are you another phony soldier?
John McCain voted against funding the troops because of . . . a timeline in it to draw down American troops." PolitiFact | Statements on Iraq
Sen. McCain was already turning his sights to Iraq just days after 9/11, and he became a leading supporter of an invasion and occupation of (Iraq)."
True SeaBoob ............. did you even read the words of mine which you quoted?
My position is that your are a raving idiot and you just proved it by quoting one thing and then ranting about something else. Your nuts, off the hook, out of control, .........  ...... lol Off the hook is a good thing. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus By the way SeaBoob, since when does John McCain make up the entire GOP? Whew ............. go back to sleep! If you had a link that proved me wrong, you would have posted it. Now get back to work. That dick isn't going to suck itself. | 
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Hmmm ............ as for getting back to work, thank you, at least I can not only find mine, but reach it.
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