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07-24-2008, 06:43 PM
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07-24-2008, 06:49 PM
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07-24-2008, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What's the point? No one can or wants to invade us. While the rest of the world is building for the future the United States is living its glory days past of the second world war. Time to move on | How old are you! 6?  | 
07-24-2008, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What's the point? No one can or wants to invade us. While the rest of the world is building for the future the United States is living its glory days past of the second world war. Time to move on | The rest of the world is moving to America.
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07-24-2008, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What's the point? No one can or wants to invade us. While the rest of the world is building for the future the United States is living its glory days past of the second world war. Time to move on | Actually ..... now that I think about it .... "they do not have to invade us, they are already here!"
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07-24-2008, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CA95380 How old are you! 6?  | You could have just said, 'I didn't know.'
That's really funny, no one can answer this very simple question. Yet our government spends more money on the military than the rest of the world combined, yet know one seems to be able to explain why.  | 
07-24-2008, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice You could have just said, 'I didn't know.'
That's really funny, no one can answer this very simple question. Yet our government spends more money on the military than the rest of the world combined, yet know one seems to be able to explain why.  | Because we can.
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What's the point? No one can or wants to invade us. While the rest of the world is building for the future the United States is living its glory days past of the second world war. Time to move on | Words on paper are worth only the might you have to back them up. Or hasn't history taught you anything?
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07-24-2008, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunny Words on paper are worth only the might you have to back them up. Or hasn't history taught you anything? | What words? What do we need to back up so desperatly? Why doesn't China feel the need to have this gigantic military force?
History teaches many lessons, like wasting resources can damage your nation's ability to move forward.
I thoiught this would be an esay question for people to answer, but all I get are vague references, an insult and foolery.
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07-24-2008, 08:46 PM
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Rep Power: 5 | | Might is Power That is a valid question.
Our military should continue to be tailored to protect our homeland and to carry out our global responsibilities, which is whatever a sitting President chooses them to be..
The actual size of the Armed Forces may fluxuate depending on many factors, i.e. treatys, threats, technology and so on.
For certain we need a strong navy since we have seas on three sides and a long range air force to carry the battle to the enemy plus whatever operations are allowed in space, including near earth, by international agreements. The ground component, infintry, armor, artillery supported by the tactical air force cannot be left to wither because conflicts like Afganistan and Iraq are more suited to that component and if recent history is any indication will be typical of future battles.
So, whatever direction a President decides to pursue will determine the size of the military not the other way around, that is, the size of the military proscribes the actions of a US President.
There are some major players on the board that will challenge us, we can pack up our marbles and leave or we can face the challenge with a strong military and have a voice in what happens. Specifically, China, Indoneasia, India, South/Central America, Russia and Middle east.
Players and their importance can change over time.
I would lilke to go isolationist but, alas, that is no longer possible. | 
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Originally Posted by p kirkes That is a valid question.
Our military should continue to be tailored to protect our homeland and to carry out our global responsibilities, which is whatever a sitting President chooses them to be..
The actual size of the Armed Forces may fluxuate depending on many factors, i.e. treatys, threats, technology and so on.
For certain we need a strong navy since we have seas on three sides and a long range air force to carry the battle to the enemy plus whatever operations are allowed in space, including near earth, by international agreements. The ground component, infintry, armor, artillery supported by the tactical air force cannot be left to wither because conflicts like Afganistan and Iraq are more suited to that component and if recent history is any indication will be typical of future battles.
So, whatever direction a President decides to pursue will determine the size of the military not the other way around, that is, the size of the military proscribes the actions of a US President.
There are some major players on the board that will challenge us, we can pack up our marbles and leave or we can face the challenge with a strong military and have a voice in what happens. Specifically, China, Indoneasia, India, South/Central America, Russia and Middle east.
Players and their importance can change over time.
I would lilke to go isolationist but, alas, that is no longer possible. | I'm just not buying the argument that a major trading partner like China is going to be our enemy. And Central and South America?? Come on! Russia is an aging nation of underpopulated wasteland. Indonesia is a multicultural disaster. And the Middle East is so divided, backward and dependent that it isn't a high tech threat at all.
We have a Cold War military that exists to keep the funding flowing in its own direction. It is a vested interest, period | 
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What words? What do we need to back up so desperatly? Why doesn't China feel the need to have this gigantic military force?
History teaches many lessons, like wasting resources can damage your nation's ability to move forward.
I thoiught this would be an esay question for people to answer, but all I get are vague references, an insult and foolery.
Congrats!  | The question is so stupid people think you're kidding. You might wanna google the size of China's Army.
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Originally Posted by dilloduck The question is so stupid people think you're kidding. You might wanna google the size of China's Army. | You are very uninformed | 
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice You are very uninformed | So what is the size of the Chinese Army and why do they have such a large one ? No one plans on invading them either. Please enlighten me
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07-24-2008, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Orange_Juice What words? What do we need to back up so desperatly? Why doesn't China feel the need to have this gigantic military force?
History teaches many lessons, like wasting resources can damage your nation's ability to move forward.
I thoiught this would be an esay question for people to answer, but all I get are vague references, an insult and foolery.
Congrats!  | *Yawn* What words? How about the US Constitution? You know, those words on that paper that give you right to ask stupid questions and make disengenuous arguments?
Yeah, those "words."
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