If we want the Iraq war to continue, we need to start drafting people to relieve the unbelievable stress on soldiers, and get rid of the Bush tax cuts to pay for more armour and better equipement in a timely manner.




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Are you kidding? THIS again?

The administration is NOT in charge of military procurement. The military is. So much for THIS bullshit.

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Do you actually believe the Chinese will provide us with FIRST QUALITY STEEL to accomplish what you suggest??????????

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Oh please. Before Bush (the commander in chief) sent us off to war, he should have checked with the military. Bush: “Hey guys. I think that we should go to war. Do you have more double the armor that you think that you will need for this war?”

This reminds me of Rumsfeld.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...msfeld.troops/

"As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want," Rumsfeld said.

He added, "You can have all the armor in the world on a tank, and it can [still] be blown up."

How callous and shortsighted can an administration be?

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Our kids went into Afghanistan ON FLIPPIN' CARDBOARD, PLYWOOD AND SANDBAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not the Army you might want BUT HIS FUCKING ASS WASN'T ON THE LINE NOW WAS IT??????????

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More ignorance from the peanut stands.

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Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Oh so I suppose he's your hero...................and I suppose you'd feel perfectly protected from IED sitting on cardboard and sandbags.............what a guy?????

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Another irrelivent and stupid thread from DCD....What a surprise!

THe administration has nothing to do with any of your suggested responsabilities....

... threads of lies so transparent just support the conservative platform by exposing the angry and dishonest left..

Keep them coming DCD... people like you hurt your own cause... its pretty commical...

[quote=DeadCanDance;649538]If we want the Iraq war to continue, we need to start drafting people to relieve the unbelievable stress on soldiers, and get rid of the Bush tax cuts to pay for more armour and better equipement in a timely manner.




Oh for the love of god!!!! Bush is not in charge of what the military does with the money it is given!!! 2. I have been to Iraq 4 times and going back for my 5th, I DONT WANT DRAFTEES IN MY FU$&ING ARMY!!!! We are a professional military now and we would really like to keep it that way!!! 3. Will anyone fu%@ing blame Clinton for destroying the military over the 90's? People don't go to war with the military they WANT!!! WE GO WITH THE MILITARY WE HAVE!!! Try listening to the troops for one time!

[quote=steeliniraq;649772]The people He puts in charge of the Pentagon are. Therefore, the Pentagon's performance is ultimately Bush's responsibility

LOL. 5th tour? Nice trolling. The average length of tour for an army soldier in Iraq is between 12 and 15 months. Which means you've been stationed in Iraq for between four and five years. The ENTIRE length of the war, you've been stationed there. LOL


LOL, again, nice trolling.

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The people in charge of each service have different needs and they spend accordingly. B the AVERAGE length of a tour is 12 to 15 months. I see you love the media. Tell me MR. know-it-all how long does the average special ops soldier spend over there on each deployment? I was there in 03', 05', 06', 07', and going back later this year. What does that equal smartass? And on the last part yea no one wants to look at Clinton and say he fu*$ed something up. He downsized the military period. Now we are paying the price. There is no looking past that.

[quote=steeliniraq;649910]DCD is a coward that hides behind the men and women that protect his sorry ass so he can bad mouth the Country, our President and our military. He doesn't know crap about the military. Proven yet again by claiming the President and the Secretary's of the Different branches are some how responsible for orders like what this thread is about. He has not a clue how the marine Corps works or why they would not want , at least initially, vehicles that could not be easily shipped around the globe nor loaded aboard the ships that the Marines depend on for transportation. He has not got a clue why it is that the military general does not buy "off the shelf" having learned in earlier years that a lot of times without adequate testing and assessments for mobility and shipment types and needs things waste money. Money the Marine Corps almost never has.

He has no concept of the hide bound nature of military procurement and the systems they use and standard procedures they depend on to keep from being yanked before Congress to explain why they bought 2000 trucks that did not work properly or they did not have authority to spend the money on.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Perhaps you should avail yourself of the facts prior to making ignorant statments?

The body armor the military had in 2000 was the best body armor the military had tested, given the stamp of approval, and purchased. The argument being made is, as most liberal finger-ponting arguments are, dishonesty at its finest.

Someone in the police/civilian sector made some arguably "better" body armor and the left immediately started making bullshit accusations.

And no, it is NOT the President's job to ask "Do your men have the latest greatest version of body armor?" That's about as lame as the people trying to hold him accountable for individual military personnel committing crimes.

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You want it that way, try THIS ...

How long does it take the latest-greatest stuff to trickle down from procurement to actual issue? During my 20 years, it took about 4 years for new stuff to hit, and about 4 years during the 90s for the stuff we had to fall apart.

So WHO exactly would be responsible for troops deploying in 2001 with what they had?

BTW... the body armor was just fine for us.

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Good.