What right did America and Russia have to interfere in the internal affairs of a country artificially separated by a foreign war/facing a civil war?

What right did America and Russia have to take what would be a small, quick civil war and turn it into a wholesale massacre that led to the death of 1 million vietnamese and afghan civilians?

What kind of morally depraved individual expect me to “salute” the memory of a soldier who participated in those acts of aggression?

I say:

Fuck all my family ties...

I would never respect a scoundrel just because I happen to share his genes...

If my father, brother or uncle had participated in a failed, useless war against any third world country that never harmed my country like Vietnam or Afghanistan I would never expect anyone to salute their memory.

If anything I would ask people to go to Washington D.C. or Moscow and piss on their monument.

So quit hiding behind a messageboard and do it then, tough guy. What's stopping you? Why would you ask other people to act out out on how you felt? You know why you wouldn't do it, it's because you'd have a boot in your ass before you could get your zipper down and put your tiny dick in your hand. You fucking coward.

No.

I wouldn't do it because those fuckers already got what they deserved for not having the same respect for the sovereignty of Vietnam and Afghanistan they had for the sovereignty of America and Russia.

A bullet in the head and a return ticket to home in a body bag.

Because you're a cowardly pussy with no convictions.

So you're one of those mental giants who blame the grunts for wars of ideology that always begin with politicians?

The US originally went into Vietnam as a UN force to replace the departing French.

The US provided advisors, weapons and material to the government of S Vietnam at THEIR request, so they could defend themselves against a communist aggressor.

Do try and educate yourself on the topic prior to rambling your ass on any further. You don't even know WTF you're protesting about.

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Clearly trolling. How truly sad.

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Gunny

This thread was motivated by these two moronic posts.

I believe everybody involved in Vietnam should be treated like that relative the whole family is too embarassed to talk about.

If the american people refrained from giving vietnam war veterans and KIA hero treatment and just kept a low profile, somewhat embarassed by what their political and military leadershipTOGETHER WITH THE GRUNTS did in Vietnam I surely wouldn’t feel like urinating on their monuments and graves.

Come on, buddy.

People like you are always talking about nuking the Middle East as a way to fight terrorism and I continue to take you seriously.

I don't call you a troll for this.

Certified super patriotic american clowns surely, but not trolls.

You should reciprocate since I'm not advocating mass killing just pissing on a stone.

Except for the whole South Vietnam was a nation part and that it was destroyed not by an internal struggle but an invasion of 25 North Vietnamese Divisions, I guess you might have had a point. Well on second thought, not even then.

Perhaps if you had bothered to learn some actual history you may have been able to fathom that part. I suggest you go to your local VFW and spout your garbage, then if able let us know what happened.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

LMAO. Now you're begging people to take you seriously. Pa-the-tic.

You should have known that nobody was going to take you seriously for starting a thread about "morally depraved individuals" after you, yourself, made past comments condoning violence against women. You're garbage, Jose. I hope you live in Cuba. You deserve a lifetime of poverty in a police state.

The question regarding the legitimacy of South Vietnam is immaterial.

The real issue is that America had as much right to interfere in their civil war as Vietnam had a right to interfere with America's.

And not only that, America is responsible for the fact that Vietnam was utterly destroyed and nothing good came out of it:

No capitalism.

No democratic society.

No nothing.

The country was devastated for nothing, and the responsability for its useless destruction falls squarely on the US that decided to interfere in their civil war to safeguard the aforementioned values.

If America minded her own business 1 million vietnamese would be alive today.

And if this legacy of mountains of corpses was not gruesome enough, we still have to put up with a bunch of retards saying:

"Thanks for your service, blah, blah, blah..."

Well, take your service and shove it where the sun don't shine.

All the fire of hell is too little for what America and those scumbags did to Vietnam.

It was not a civil war. South Vietnam was a legit Country. It did not fall to an insurgency it was INVADED by another Country.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

I guess you missed my point. Your opinion is stupid and not based on any real facts. Apparently, you are one of those people that needs a Shrike missile to fly up your ass before you figure out all too late that just perhaps you need to fight.

Your initial claim is that the US invaded South Vietnam. The US in fact did not. Therefore, your opinion of Vietnam vets is based on a lie.

The Taliban was harboring Osama bin Laden and refused to turn him over. Justification enough to take them out. So, your insinuation that the invasion was unjustified is bullshit. Need a clue? There's a big fucking hole in the ground for you in NYC.

Third, if you would like to meet me at a Veteran's memorial and piss on it, I might be more than willing to accomodate you, but I guarantee you ain't going to like the method in which I explain the error of your ways.

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“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing” - Edmund Burke

According to Joyce's theory Hispanics and Latinos in general consider as one of their cultural rights to beat and rape women.

So when I threatened the female members of the board I was just using my cultural prerogatives

In fact I forgot to exercise them for most of my life....

Never spanked or raped a single woman, can you believe that...

I'm a bad Latino according to Joyce.

But seriously, Kathianne, jillian, Stephanie etc, have already forgiven me for that one and when I'm almost forgetting the whole crap completely a jackass has to show up and remind me of it over and over.

Why does Jose cry after sex?






Because of the pepperspray.