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Washington (CNN) -- A preliminary U.S. Navy plan to allow its chaplains to perform same-sex marriages in military chapels after the end of "don't ask, don't tell" has fired up congressional opposition.

All services are moving forward with the transition from the present ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in uniform. Top Pentagon officials are expected to sign off on the new rules and the progress of training in coming weeks.

An April 13 memo from the Navy officer in charge of chaplains says they "may" officiate at same-sex marriages or civil unions, depending on both local laws and their religious organization.


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Washington (CNN) -- A preliminary U.S. Navy plan to allow its chaplains to perform same-sex marriages in military chapels after the end of "don't ask, don't tell" has fired up congressional opposition.

All services are moving forward with the transition from the present ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in uniform. Top Pentagon officials are expected to sign off on the new rules and the progress of training in coming weeks.

An April 13 memo from the Navy officer in charge of chaplains says they "may" officiate at same-sex marriages or civil unions, depending on both local laws and their religious organization.


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You link sucks.

Ah, sorry Zona! Try and click on it, and I'll help you with the big words!
I just tried again...no luck. You link still sucks. It stinks so bad, I dont even see it.

Oh and if they do provide same sex marriages, will they be able to claim each other as dependants.

All service guys know the different between BAH with/without dependants. It can be significant.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zona View Post
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Quote: Originally Posted by Zona View Post

You link sucks.

Ah, sorry Zona! Try and click on it, and I'll help you with the big words!
I just tried again...no luck. You link still sucks. It stinks so bad, I dont even see it.

Oh and if they do provide same sex marriages, will they be able to claim each other as dependants.

All service guys know the different between BAH with/without dependants. It can be significant.
Zona my man, I know the internet can be serious business.

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And anyone that serves our country should be able to marry whomever they want, wherever they want.
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I assume marriage laws in the state would apply to military bases in the state. If so, I would think same sex marriages should be allowed on the bases.
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Ah, sorry Zona! Try and click on it, and I'll help you with the big words!
I just tried again...no luck. You link still sucks. It stinks so bad, I dont even see it.

Oh and if they do provide same sex marriages, will they be able to claim each other as dependants.

All service guys know the different between BAH with/without dependants. It can be significant.
Zona my man, I know the internet can be serious business.

YOU CAN DO IT!

I have faith in you, try again!


And anyone that serves our country should be able to marry whomever they want, wherever they want.
But will they be able to claim a dependant in the military. You are correct, they should be able to marry who they want, but I am talking about the legality of military pay in reference to dependants.

Oh and your link still sucks. Cant find it.
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I just tried again...no luck. You link still sucks. It stinks so bad, I dont even see it.

Oh and if they do provide same sex marriages, will they be able to claim each other as dependants.

All service guys know the different between BAH with/without dependants. It can be significant.
Zona my man, I know the internet can be serious business.

YOU CAN DO IT!

I have faith in you, try again!


And anyone that serves our country should be able to marry whomever they want, wherever they want.
But will they be able to claim a dependant in the military. You are correct, they should be able to marry who they want, but I am talking about the legality of military pay in reference to dependants.

Oh and your link still sucks. Cant find it.
It's from CNN.

If this doesn't work for you, go to their website!


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I assume marriage laws in the state would apply to military bases in the state. If so, I would think same sex marriages should be allowed on the bases.
If/when they pass that bill to allow 18 year olds to drink on base but they wont be able to drink out in town, because the law there says 21..well, I think that would prove fed and state are two very different things.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:41 PM
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Zona my man, I know the internet can be serious business.

YOU CAN DO IT!

I have faith in you, try again!


And anyone that serves our country should be able to marry whomever they want, wherever they want.
But will they be able to claim a dependant in the military. You are correct, they should be able to marry who they want, but I am talking about the legality of military pay in reference to dependants.

Oh and your link still sucks. Cant find it.
It's from CNN.

If this doesn't work for you, go to their website!


Navy plan to allow same-sex marriage on bases draws opposition - CNN.com
Kewl, this one worked! Thanks so much.

Now on to them being able to change their personnel records as being married or single in the military. Will they then be allowed housing? If they are E-3 and below, would they then be able to move off base from the barracks if the barracks has a certain amount empty? Will they get paid more for BAH? These are physical things that happen when you get married.

Will this marriage between the same sex just be for the ceremony in the military? That is my question. I am glad they will feel better about being with the person they love but what about the legal aspect of it in the military? If nothing changes in their records, whats the point in doing it in a miliary chapel? Whats the point in having the military involved at all if nothing changes when they go to psd.
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Washington (CNN) -- A preliminary U.S. Navy plan to allow its chaplains to perform same-sex marriages in military chapels after the end of "don't ask, don't tell" has fired up congressional opposition.

All services are moving forward with the transition from the present ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in uniform. Top Pentagon officials are expected to sign off on the new rules and the progress of training in coming weeks.

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I assume marriage laws in the state would apply to military bases in the state. If so, I would think same sex marriages should be allowed on the bases.
If/when they pass that bill to allow 18 year olds to drink on base but they wont be able to drink out in town, because the law there says 21..well, I think that would prove fed and state are two very different things.
can't fool you for long, huh?

link us to a copy of a federal marriage license.
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i am guessing they will allow the chaplain to marry same sex couples if their Navy base is positioned in a port of a State that has same sex marriage as legal, or legal civil unions. if the sailors are residents of such state???

for example, i believe massachusetts permits same sex marriage but there is certain criteria that has to be met....for one, they have to be legal residents of the state....i believe it is for 6 months, before they can marry....according to Mass law.
yes but has the federal statute been overturned as to the def. of marriage act? These are federal installations.
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i am guessing they will allow the chaplain to marry same sex couples if their Navy base is positioned in a port of a State that has same sex marriage as legal, or legal civil unions. if the sailors are residents of such state???

for example, i believe massachusetts permits same sex marriage but there is certain criteria that has to be met....for one, they have to be legal residents of the state....i believe it is for 6 months, before they can marry....according to Mass law.
yes but has the federal statute been overturned as to the def. of marriage act? These are federal installations.
hi trajan,
can you refresh my memory on what the defense of marriage act was? i mean, what did it defend and in what manner? i guess i am trying to figure out if the fed has authority to marry couples or if the chaplain is under State authority for marriages....i believe it is the State that issues marriage certification, and if i am correct, i believe that the chaplains on base have to follow the laws of the states they reside in?
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