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Uh-huh. So how did all that communism work out for the Soviets?

"Before the 1991 dissolution of the Soviet Union, researchers who attempted to count the number of people killed under Stalin's regime produced estimates ranging from 3 to 60 million."
Beautifully! Until US/UK plant Gorbachev assumed the high position and started on a road to destruction of the state.

As for your "researches", you can shove them up your arrse with all their propaganda for dimwitted.
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On the 17 of March 1991 -- 9 out of 15 republics voted FOR (from 71 to 99%) the Soviet Union. Despite that, US/UK puppets Yeltsyn (Russia), Kravchuk (Ukraine) and Shushkevich (Belorussia) made a descision to dissolve the USSR.
Even your numbers say that 40% of the USSR's republics wanted out.
They disolved their union because it was no longer viable to try to hold the big lie together, period.
The truths that they kept from their people, even going so far as to restrict private ownership of fax and copying machines, could no longer be controlled by the 1990's but it should surprise no one that 60 years after Stalin's death some silly poster would extol his virtues and those of that "workers paradise" and, of course, blame US/UK puppets in the Kremlin.
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The US would be far better off defending Iran against an Israeli strike.

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US can't defend Iran. But it clearly is not in US interests to attack Iran just yet, while Israel is chomping at the bit.

US went as far as to wave reprisals against the states who disobeyed US sanctions against Iran, and continue buying Iranian oil.

And Israeli PM went public claiming "Iran is ready to produce nuclear weapons next year!"
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The US would be far better off defending Iran against an Israeli strike.

China government opposed to Israel's threats of attack on Iran - Video Dailymotion

You have to consider China's serious interest in oil and it's massive investment in Iranian oil.
The Chinese may well ignore a limited strike on Iran but are very probably supplying Iran with some serious weapons.
There are already stories of Iranian copies of Chinese, long range anti shipping missiles.
There is a very real chance of Chinese indirect involvement in any war, maybe direct involvement if oil supplies are threatened.
Or perhaps China will see it in their own best interest to convince Iran to cut the crap and get on board. Then there doesn't have to be a war, eh? That way everybody wins unless, of course, China wants to see a confrontation.
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Even your numbers say that 40% of the USSR's republics wanted out.
Yes, 6 republics left the union. The rest voted to stay in. Yet, US and UK taxpayers money went onto buying a handful of republican leaders who dissolved the union against the wishes of their populations.
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Beautifully! Until US/UK plant Gorbachev assumed the high position and started on a road to destruction of the state.

As for your "researches", you can shove them up your arrse with all their propaganda for dimwitted.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/histor...1943-a-10.html


On the 17 of March 1991 -- 9 out of 15 republics voted FOR (from 71 to 99%) the Soviet Union. Despite that, US/UK puppets Yeltsyn (Russia), Kravchuk (Ukraine) and Shushkevich (Belorussia) made a descision to dissolve the USSR.


Actually, this is footage of famine on Volga 1921-1922.

Since you evidently have nothing more to say on the topic started by you, perhaps you can tell us about famine in the US of A in 1930-s? Five to seven million victims of "US Holodomor" is not something Americans should feel good about.

After that, you can touch upon famine in Poland 1930-s; then -- famine in Romania, Hungary... And of course, let's not forget famine in UK in 1930-s.

Or, we can return to this thread so you and like-minded participants can refresh it in your minds
Stalinism Solves Problem of Minorities
Stalin used his own version of revisionist history when he rewrote by hand sections of the cold war book "Falsifiers of History." He also rewrote Soviet history to exclude all but himself (naturally) and Lenin.
Here is more evidence of the carnage he wrought on his people:
Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Stalin used his own version of revisionist history
Are you going to tell us about famine in USA; Poland, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, Britain in 1930-s, or are you going to continue avoiding the question?
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Even your numbers say that 40% of the USSR's republics wanted out.
Yes, 6 republics left the union. The rest voted to stay in. Yet, US and UK taxpayers money went onto buying a handful of republican leaders who dissolved the union against the wishes of their populations.
Uh-huh.
It was US and UK dollars which dissolved your "workers paradise."
It couldn't possibly have been the weight of 75 years of communism's lies and inefficiencies.
Kremlin leadership was so paranoid about America and the evils of capitalism that there is no way they could have called it quits if they had any options. They had none.
A wonderful concept - socialism - just doesn't work in large, diverse countries and even its by-the-gun cousin, communism, couldn't hold it together.
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Stalin used his own version of revisionist history
Are you going to tell us about famine in USA; Poland, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, Britain in 1930-s, or are you going to continue avoiding the question?
I'm not about to let you deflect this conversation about the upwards of 60 million people who were slaughtered either by direct order from your beloved leader or his policies but I'm certain you will soon claim that Stalin was a US/UK puppet who did so at the behest of his puppeteers.
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It was US and UK dollars which dissolved .
And you thought it were dollars that dropped into Gorbachov's, Yeltsyn's, Kravchuk's bank accounts from Mars?!

US doesn't have astronomical debt for no reason. Just for your edumacation find how much US spends on setting up coups and greasing up pocket elites and "oppositions" in vertually every country. For example, Georgian entire government draws its salaries out of US "funds for democracy", and all of Georgians "opposition" is also on US payroll.
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It was US and UK dollars which dissolved .
And you thought it were dollars that dropped into Gorbachov's, Yeltsyn's, Kravchuk's bank accounts from Mars?!

US doesn't have astronomical debt for no reason. Just for your edumacation find how much US spends on setting up coups and greasing up pocket elites and "oppositions" in vertually every country. For example, Georgian entire government draws its salaries out of US "funds for democracy", and all of Georgians "opposition" is also on US payroll.
I would be exteremly proud to know that my atx dollars could accomplish something as good for the world as the demise of the USSR but I just can't seem to suspend my rationality as you so clearly do in defense of Stalin and the "workers paradise."
Just for the record could you post a link to any credible source that supports your outrageous claims about Gorbachov's, Yeltsyn's, and Kravchuk's bank accounts and the US/UK connection to their wealth?
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Netanyahu in 1992: Iran close to having nuclear bomb | Informed Comment

Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is trapped in reflection theory. He was allegedly himself involved in illegally smuggling nuclear triggers out of the US, and he assumes that Iran desperately wants a nuclear weapon as well. But Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa against nukes, and there is no solid intelligence pointing to an Iranian weapons program. Iran can’t be close to having a weapon if it doesn’t have a weapons program.

He has no credibility left on such warnings.

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Scott Peterson at the Christian Science Monitor did a useful timeline for dire Israeli and US predictions of an imminent Iranian nuclear weapon, beginning 20 years ago.

1992: Israeli member of parliament Binyamin Netanyahu predicts that Iran was “3 to 5 years” from having a nuclear weapon.

1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres predicts an Iranian nuclear warhead by 1999 to French TV.

1995: The New York Times quotes US and Israeli officials saying that Iran would have the bomb by 2000.

1998: Donald Rumsfeld tells Congress that Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit the US by 2003.
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I'm not about to let you deflect this conversation about the .........
And I am not about to let you pretend you can't read:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/histor...1943-a-10.html


So, are you going to tell us about famine in USA; Poland, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, Britain in 1930-s, or are you going to continue avoiding the question?
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It was US and UK dollars which dissolved .
And you thought it were dollars that dropped into Gorbachov's, Yeltsyn's, Kravchuk's bank accounts from Mars?!

US doesn't have astronomical debt for no reason. Just for your edumacation find how much US spends on setting up coups and greasing up pocket elites and "oppositions" in vertually every country. For example, Georgian entire government draws its salaries out of US "funds for democracy", and all of Georgians "opposition" is also on US payroll.
I would be exteremly proud to know that my atx dollars could accomplish something as good for the world as the demise of the USSR
I have no doubt that you are proud that your tax dollars are wrecking the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world from Africa to Europe! You are proud that your tax dollars are financing poverty in Poland, Ukraine, Hungary, Bulgaris, Slovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Esstonia, Georgia, the list goes on. You are proud that your tax dollars finance genocide of Ossetians, wars in Yugoslavia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria... You are proud that your tax dollars finance terrorism in ME, Africa, Russia.

And for that all those people affected by your proudly spent tax dollars hate Americans (and now also British).
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I'm not about to let you deflect this conversation about the .........
And I am not about to let you pretend you can't read:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/histor...1943-a-10.html


So, are you going to tell us about famine in USA; Poland, Romania, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia, Britain in 1930-s, or are you going to continue avoiding the question?
Are you really this dim or are you just playing? I read the post you linked ... it contains absolutely no sources which support your screed. You can post what you like ... that doesn't mean any rational poster is going to buy it.
And just because you would like to deflect this discourse onto another subject doesn't mean anyone has to play along with your silly games.
And speaking of silly games, when will you be posting a link to any credible source that supports your outrageous claims about Gorbachov's, Yeltsyn's, and Kravchuk's bank accounts and the US/UK connection to their wealth?
I suspect hell will freeze over first 'cause you've got nothing, Princess.
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The situation between Iran and Jews is not simple.

Historically, Persians were helping Jews in their predicaments; and in turn Jews returned favours on few occasions. As a result, Iran has a well developed Jewish community. And between ME Jews and Persians there are no major animosities.

Now, current Israel was populated mainly by Jews from Europe and US who have little understanding of intricacy of Eastern religious and ethnic community relations.

Thus, in Israel there are two factions: the more moderate one that does not want war with Iran; and the hawkish faction that is ready to push for a complete reformatting of the ME (see Pentagon 2006 map) even if it means Israel will be sacrificed in a process.
Until now, American Zionist lobby was making sure US acts in unison with Israel; but now US is interested in postponing an attack on Iran, while Israel seems desperate to do it but realising that without US support it stands little chance...

If I were American, I would be watching out for some Israeli provocation they can blame on Iran to push US public opinion towards the war.
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