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| Ronald Reagan Won the Wisconsin Recall Everyone with a pulse knows the result of the recall vote in Wisconsin. They also know the spin: Quote: In interviews, union leaders rejected the idea that the outcome reflected any growing antipathy toward labor, or a diminished presence of unions. Quote: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s victory in a recall election Tuesday amounted to a significant defeat for the nation’s labor unions, which had mounted one of their most aggressive grass-roots campaigns ever to defeat the Republican. As one of his first acts after taking office two years ago, Walker targeted the unions representing government workers, moving to curb their collective-bargaining rights. The failed effort to oust him sent reverberations across the labor movement and the Democratic Party, signaling that one of President Obama’s most powerful constituencies is politically vulnerable and may not be able to help him as much as expected in this year’s election. By Peter Whoriskey and Dan Balz, The Washington Post Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s victory deals blow to unions - The Washington Post Notice how the WaPo went from the ‘nation’s labor unions,” to “unions representing government workers,” and back to “the labor movement.” If you check I think you will find that same kind of linguistic footwork throughout the MSM. Conservative commentators do it, too, but in their case it is not deliberate. The MSM does it deliberately The MSM relies upon a substantial number of Americans not understanding the important distinction, while most politicians look like they are sucking on a lemon when they say “public sector unions.” That’s understandable because no politician wants to alienate a major constituency. Governors Christy and Walker are notable exceptions. Happily, recognizing the distinction, and acting on it, appears to be spreading to politicians in cities and towns. Parenthetically, this election cycle is the first time I can remember Republican politicians distinguishing between private sector jobs and government jobs whenever they talk about creating jobs. Democrats never distinguish between the two. NEVER! Not once did the media call them on it. Clearly, the distaste private sector Americans have for government unions includes a distaste for welfare state government jobs. NOTE: Nancy Pelosi was well-aware of the public’s antipathy when she said the Healthcare Bill would create 4,000,000 new jobs. Picture her saying the Healthcare Bill would create 4,000,000 new GOVERNMENT jobs. Distrust of government unions was never limited to average Americans. Ann Coulter reminds us: Quote: There’s a reason both FDR and labor leader George Meany said it would be insane to ever allow government employees to unionize. by Ann Coulter 06/06/2012 Ann Coulter: The recall heard round the world If the recall in Wisconsin was heard around the world it was heard by private sector union members. I like to think it means they will no longer be suckered by their leaders. Ever since I began posting messages, 12 years ago, I pointed out that no private sector union member has any business supporting government unions, or thinking the two institutions unite all union “brothers” under one banner. They are two diametrically opposed entities with all of the power, and ultimately the money, in the hands of government unions. Finally, the thundering applause the American people gave Ronald Reagan when he fired all of those air traffic controllers should have told government unions in Wisconsin something. Obviously, it did not.
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| Everyone with a pulse knows the result of the recall vote in Wisconsin. They also know the spin: Quote: In interviews, union leaders rejected the idea that the outcome reflected any growing antipathy toward labor, or a diminished presence of unions. Quote: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s victory in a recall election Tuesday amounted to a significant defeat for the nation’s labor unions, which had mounted one of their most aggressive grass-roots campaigns ever to defeat the Republican. As one of his first acts after taking office two years ago, Walker targeted the unions representing government workers, moving to curb their collective-bargaining rights. The failed effort to oust him sent reverberations across the labor movement and the Democratic Party, signaling that one of President Obama’s most powerful constituencies is politically vulnerable and may not be able to help him as much as expected in this year’s election. By Peter Whoriskey and Dan Balz, The Washington Post Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s victory deals blow to unions - The Washington Post Notice how the WaPo went from the ‘nation’s labor unions,” to “unions representing government workers,” and back to “the labor movement.” If you check I think you will find that same kind of linguistic footwork throughout the MSM. Conservative commentators do it, too, but in their case it is not deliberate. The MSM does it deliberately The MSM relies upon a substantial number of Americans not understanding the important distinction, while most politicians look like they are sucking on a lemon when they say “public sector unions.” That’s understandable because no politician wants to alienate a major constituency. Governors Christy and Walker are notable exceptions. Happily, recognizing the distinction, and acting on it, appears to be spreading to politicians in cities and towns. Parenthetically, this election cycle is the first time I can remember Republican politicians distinguishing between private sector jobs and government jobs whenever they talk about creating jobs. Democrats never distinguish between the two. NEVER! Not once did the media call them on it. Clearly, the distaste private sector Americans have for government unions includes a distaste for welfare state government jobs. NOTE: Nancy Pelosi was well-aware of the public’s antipathy when she said the Healthcare Bill would create 4,000,000 new jobs. Picture her saying the Healthcare Bill would create 4,000,000 new GOVERNMENT jobs. Distrust of government unions was never limited to average Americans. Ann Coulter reminds us: Quote: There’s a reason both FDR and labor leader George Meany said it would be insane to ever allow government employees to unionize. by Ann Coulter 06/06/2012 Ann Coulter: The recall heard round the world If the recall in Wisconsin was heard around the world it was heard by private sector union members. I like to think it means they will no longer be suckered by their leaders. Ever since I began posting messages, 12 years ago, I pointed out that no private sector union member has any business supporting government unions, or thinking the two institutions unite all union “brothers” under one banner. They are two diametrically opposed entities with all of the power, and ultimately the money, in the hands of government unions. Finally, the thundering applause the American people gave Ronald Reagan when he fired all of those air traffic controllers should have told government unions in Wisconsin something. Obviously, it did not. 1. The Constitution endorses freedom of assembly. These unions are such assemblies. 2. They may petition the government for whatsoever they wish....also covered by the Constitution. 3. But...what about excessive demands? You pointed out the solution, above: "...the thundering applause the American people gave Ronald Reagan when he fired all of those air traffic controllers..." a. This is why we empower elected officials, to make the calls that benefit the nation, the electorate. The blame for excesses belongs with the officials who rubber stamp union demands, not citizens who are free to ask for perks and boons.
__________________ People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter |
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| Quote: PoliticalChic;5410809 1. The Constitution endorses freedom of assembly. These unions are such assemblies. Quote: 2. They may petition the government for whatsoever they wish....also covered by the Constitution. petition (noun) 1. A solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty. 2. A formal written document requesting a right or benefit from a person or group in authority. 3. Law. a. A formal written application requesting a court for a specific judicial action: a petition for appeal. b. The judicial action asked for in any such request. 4. Something requested or entreated. verb petitioned, petitioning, petitions verb, transitive 1. To address a petition to. 2. To ask for by petition; request formally. verb, intransitive To make a request, especially formally: petitioned for retrial. Quote: 3. But...what about excessive demands? Excessive demands are compounded by an issue no one will touch: An excessive number of government employees making the demands. There are so many unnecessary government employees in federal, state and local governments it is impossible to separate them from the impact they make on demands. The number of government employees could be cut in half across the board and the remaining half would still be underused. The problem is that state and local governments are dumping grounds for political hacks. Every politician adds to every bloated, and unnecessary, bureaucracy —— then leaves the parasites behind when he leaves. The larger cities have so many parasites paid off with a government job incoming officials will not deal with them. Quote: You pointed out the solution, above: "...the thundering applause the American people gave Ronald Reagan when he fired all of those air traffic controllers..." a. This is why we empower elected officials, to make the calls that benefit the nation, the electorate. Quote: People who work for the government don’t have a hard-driving capitalist boss on the other side of the bargaining table demanding more work for less pay. No one is worried about the profit margin because there is no profit — it’s government! Rather, the only people on the other side of the table are the unions’ co-conspirators: Democratic politicians willing to spend the public treasury on union members, who will repay the politicians by mobilizing voters. And let’s not forget that Bush the Younger let the late Ted Kennedy write an education bill. That was like giving the biggest glutton in the room the only key to the public larder. Quote: The blame for excesses belongs with the officials who rubber stamp union demands, not citizens who are free to ask for perks and boons. Once again you play fast and loose with the definition of union demands. “Free to ask” is only slightly different than petition.
__________________ Flanders The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer |
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| Quote: PoliticalChic;5410809 1. The Constitution endorses freedom of assembly. These unions are such assemblies. Quote: 2. They may petition the government for whatsoever they wish....also covered by the Constitution. petition (noun) 1. A solemn supplication or request to a superior authority; an entreaty. 2. A formal written document requesting a right or benefit from a person or group in authority. 3. Law. a. A formal written application requesting a court for a specific judicial action: a petition for appeal. b. The judicial action asked for in any such request. 4. Something requested or entreated. verb petitioned, petitioning, petitions verb, transitive 1. To address a petition to. 2. To ask for by petition; request formally. verb, intransitive To make a request, especially formally: petitioned for retrial. To PoliticalChic: What happened to “excessive petitions”? Just kidding. Excessive demands are compounded by an issue no one will touch: An excessive number of government employees making the demands. There are so many unnecessary government employees in federal, state and local governments it is impossible to separate them from the impact they make on demands. The number of government employees could be cut in half across the board and the remaining half would still be underused. The problem is that state and local governments are dumping grounds for political hacks. Every politician adds to every bloated, and unnecessary, bureaucracy —— then leaves the parasites behind when he leaves. The larger cities have so many parasites paid off with a government job incoming officials will not deal with them. To PoliticalChic: In the article I linked to in the OP Ann Coulter went on to say: Quote: People who work for the government don’t have a hard-driving capitalist boss on the other side of the bargaining table demanding more work for less pay. No one is worried about the profit margin because there is no profit — it’s government! Rather, the only people on the other side of the table are the unions’ co-conspirators: Democratic politicians willing to spend the public treasury on union members, who will repay the politicians by mobilizing voters. And let’s not forget that Bush the Younger let the late Ted Kennedy write an education bill. That was like giving the biggest glutton in the room the only key to the public larder. Quote: The blame for excesses belongs with the officials who rubber stamp union demands, not citizens who are free to ask for perks and boons. Once again you play fast and loose with the definition of union demands. “Free to ask” is only slightly different than petition. There's your problem.
__________________ People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter |
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__________________ Flanders The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer |
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| Parasitic constitutions If you are suggesting that our fellow citizens who work for federal, state and local government are parasites, you are not only short sighted, but don't understand the word 'parasite.' Nor do you understand human nature. Offer more money for less work, and many will accept the offer. Place the blame where it belongs, on elected officials who have accepted our 'power of attorney,' yet have not the character to live up to the fiduciary responsibility. Citizens who are aware, and informed will do the right thing: Wisconsin.
__________________ People are most conservative on issues that they know most about. --Ann Coulter |
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| Quote: PoliticalChic;5413144 If you are suggesting that our fellow citizens who work for federal, state and local government are parasites, Quote: you are not only short sighted, but don't understand the word 'parasite.' parasite (noun) 1. Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host. 2. a. One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return. b. One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant. 3. A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece. Every one of the above definitions identifies welfare state government employees. I’d go so far as to suggest getting rid of all of the parasites and doubling the salaries and benefits of legitimate civil servants. Do that, and no state or local government will ever again have a budget problem. Quote: Nor do you understand human nature. Quote: Offer more money for less work, and many will accept the offer. Quote: Place the blame where it belongs, on elected officials who have accepted our 'power of attorney,' yet have not the character to live up to the fiduciary responsibility. Quote: Citizens who are aware, and informed will do the right thing: Wisconsin. Quote: Unlike Wisconsin, however, it was Schwarzenegger’s idea to hold a special election on the advice of his political consultant, Mike Murphy, the Bob Shrum of the Republicans. Let’s see, who would be likely to vote in an off-year election? We’re going to cut your exorbitant benefits, require you to work, and make it easier to fire you, public employees. Do you have any interest in voting on that? Anyone with half a brain could see disaster coming from a mile away. Even with the language barrier, Arnold should have seen it coming. Within weeks, Tony Quinn, a California Republican consultant, stated categorically: “The governor needs to cancel this special election, regardless of the political cost, because he’s headed for a huge political defeat.” But Schwarzenegger’s adviser, Murphy, was brimming with confidence, dazzled by the governor’s celebrity status. He gloated, “He’s still Arnold Schwarzenegger.” (Murphy never saw “Twins.”) Public sector unions spent a jaw-dropping $80 million to defeat Schwarzenegger’s initiatives, portraying the governor as the enemy of cops, teachers, firefighters and “people like us.” Mike Murphy: “I am confident we will win.” In the end, union members turned out in droves on Election Day, defeating every single initiative. Everyone else in California woke up the next day and said, “Hey, did you know there was an election yesterday?”
__________________ Flanders The basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do. It is the freedom to refrain, withdraw and abstain which makes a totalitarian regime impossible. Eric Hoffer |
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