Don't tase me bro!

Texas Transportation Code - Section 542.005. Rules On Private Property - Texas Attorney Resources - Texas Laws


Sure enough, Texas law allows for private property to be regulated by the owner, not state traffic code.

I have yet to hear that any infraction was made on the public highway. So far, this all is taking place on private property.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Oh, please.

And on private property which the pastor obviously has a right to control unless there has been a crime.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Right now, it looks like about 30 - 40 church going, Christian witnesses against two cops.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

You don't "control" a situation by jumping into an officers face screaming bloody murder, and then charge him with your entire congregation, dumbass. Like it or not, you don't really get to "demand" anything from cops that don't concern you.

There are usually two distinct starting points for people in debates like this and they often go against general perceptions of political leanings.

1: The PEOPLE have the right until it is demonstrated there is a cause to suspend them.

2: The COPS have the right until it is clear they abused them.


THe people have the rights. Not the cops. In fact, they have none, as such. They are supposed to protect the PEOPLES rights, not step on them every chance they see to collect a fine.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Where's the evidence this occurred? All I've heard so far is that he tried to find out what was going on and the police officer turned violent by grabbing the pastor who then went inside to get witnesses to the officer's apparent abuse. Then the officer pepper sprayed the congregants and attacked the pastor with the taser.

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As I just pointed out, I do indeed get to demand from the cops. They are MY SERVANTS.

It's dumbasses like you that will gladly accept a police state so long as it isn't your pocket book, your kid, your Church, your rights. But I've got a little secret for you: give away his property rights and yours go out the window too.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

1) It's none of his business what's going on. Nobody called for his "help".

2) Read more of what's posted. The pastor started screaming at the cop and making demands. Again, not his place.

3) The pastor went INSIDE the church to get witnesses to his alleged abuse? You mean all those witnesses weren't just standing outside? He had to go in and get them, and then come out in a threatening manner? What is it they were going to "witness" from inside the church?

so if a robber commits robbery on private property the cops have no jurisdiction to stop him unless he has express permission from owner of said private property???

More like I simply have respect for the law, and don't feel the need to rail at them and threaten them.. I may not *like* them, or everything they do, but again, there's a RIGHT way and a WRONG way to handle things, and the pastors way was WRONG. He deserved to get knocked on his ass. Maybe now he'll STFU and mind his own business.

What point was there to him sticking his face in a traffic stop scenario?

I thought hating the "pigs" went out in the 70s.

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Just for your information, private property is just that, property owned by private individuals, companies, corporations, and etc. which means that you are not subject to normal traffic laws that apply to public roads.

For instance, if you have an automobile accident on private property, normal traffic laws do not apply, just as the police can not ticket you for running a stop sign within a parking lot.

In mall parking lots, for example, police can respond to theft, or vandalism, but have no authority to enforce normal traffic laws.

Back in 1973, while riding a motorcycle on my employers property, which happened to be at a traffic light at a four lane intersection, I was hit by an automobile turning left into oncoming traffic which had the green light, and the accident had to be investigated by the companies security officers because the local police had no jurisdiction on private property. Lucky for me one of my co-workers took pictures of where the vehicles stopped after the hit, and that along with the investigating officers testimony, there was no question of who was at fault.

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does anybody have a link to the Police web site that has their statement? I cannot find it.

It was occuring on the Churches private property. It is absolutely his business. Or would you care to go ahead and relieve his Church of all liability for occurances on his property and allow the state to assume that liability? Get it? That's why it's his business. That's why the State is responsible on the public highway. That's their construct, their liability to the public. His parking lot is HIS liability. Always. The lawsuits and responsibility are his and his churches. YOu wouldn't be telling him to mind his own business if someone was being raped in his parking lot would you? By a cop? Is that none of his business?

The person getting the ticket was a member of the congregation. An invited person onto that property.

This is completely a property issue. THere was no actionable crime in that parking lot. The police had no authority and the Pastor had all the authority. So it came down to brute force to comply with an unlawful order.

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And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider