Don't tase me bro!

Focus Kitty.

Are cops allowed to carry pepper spray?

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

When you "focus" to be a dishonest person, it's not really focusing ... now is it, dishonest fuck?

What I just said, which you didn't read, is a summary of all the facts about cops I have presented on the matter, now read it or admit your are just twisting information to suit your sick and twisted need to be a criminal.

__________________
If you can dream it, I can code it.
Every hand's a winner, and every hands a loser, the best you could hope for is to die in your sleep.

I read it Kitty. You tend to make stuff up though and you never provide any support for what you say. I have no reason to believe you.

You said this:

Now, I went on for pages and pages asking you to provide a single strand of evidence that anyone had deemed pepper spray "unethical". You never could answer.

I didn't ask who pays for the pepper spray and you didn't claim anyhting about who pays for it. You claimed that millions were spent on tasers because pepper spray was deemed unethical.

Can you answer Kitty? Did you make that up? Where does your information about voters deciding what police carry come from too? Can you provide a single source to lend any credit what so ever to any of these claims you make about police rules and procedure?

Kitty's Imaginary Police Hand Book is not a credible source.

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Come on Kitty, this is lame.

Surely there must be one fucking podunk town somewhere that has deemed pepper spray unethical and replaced it with tasers. One town? Can you at least find one fucking town?

Or is it like this town in Texas? Cops can carry pepper spray and a taser if they want?

DID YOU MAKE THAT UP?

If you didn't, you certainly must recall at least WHERE this happened?

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Most law enforcement officers are decent hard working people doing a dirty job, but there are those that are just plain bullies and use any excuse to taser or pepper spray people to show their authority.

While I applaud those 95% that are good cops, I want the other 5% punished for their unlawful actions toward the public they are sworn to serve.

Granted we hardly ever see all the good cops do every day, but we do see those that abuse their authority, either through stupidity, such as issuing a traffic ticket on private property, or do so out of malice to shove their authority down someones throat.

Law enforcement officers are just like the rest of society, there are good ones and bad ones. The problem is with law enforcement officers is that the bad ones not only give a bad name to the good ones, but that they have the ability to hide behind their badge to get away with things the rest of society would be locked up for.

__________________
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” --Thomas Jefferson

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
Thomas Jefferson

While we're at it Kitty, can you support that citizens and voters actually vote on police techniques? I've been a voter for a long time and I must have missed the "Taser and Pepper spray" referendum.

Can you support you position that voters and citizens participate in voting to decide police tachniques?

or are you full of shit, as usual?

By the way, you are dismissed.

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

No tasers on general issue where I am and with all this "mission creep" going on it's not going to happen. Whatever happened to good, old fashioned biff? It's spray or taser these days apparently, no-one is going hands on. Is it because cops are too small these days? Perhaps it's fear of communicable diseases? Either way, too much, too soon apparently.

Taser death: stun gun fired 28 times - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

__________________
This computer has been drinking...not me.




The best foot goes forward.

holy shit
28 times!!!!!!!!!

thats a bit excessive, no?

__________________

If it was deployed 28 times and there isn't some explanation (and a damn good one) concerning malfunction (and I do note in the report that it's mentioned that the target of those discharges wasn't identified so it might have been the deceased or it might not - not that that makes much difference to the poor bastard), yes, it was excessive, excessive to the point - on the surface at least - of criminal behaviour.

__________________
This computer has been drinking...not me.




The best foot goes forward.

Wonder how violent the guy became? If he was being violent in the nature of brandishing a knife, I'd say he might of been shot dead anyway.

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

OK, I read the link and this guy had an iron bar and a piece of broken glass. Doesn't look like a traffic stop being elevated to a tasering.

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

Yep, knife comes out then it's time for the handgun in response, spray or taser in that situation isn't appropriate.

__________________
This computer has been drinking...not me.




The best foot goes forward.

I don't know what to make of the 28 hits, if they did actually hit him 28 times. If the guy was still violent after the first few jolts I would think it's time to move along to more effective force. The stuns are obviously not working after a dozen or so, I'd say. Hopefully this guy wasn't incapacitated and continued to be tased by a malfunction of the device or some really, really screwed up officers.

It's the traffic stops that bug me. No need to be seeing non criminal, penalty/fine type stops elevated to the level of tasering unarmed people that are usually just pissed off cause they know they just hit with a fine. It's not uncommon and now instead of cooler heads prevailing, compliance is coerced with physical force where none is needed. There is a smarter and less violent way to collect fines.

__________________
And just exactly what is the PURPOSE of that meeting.... do you know? Does anyone know? No, they don't. So there's plenty of reason to be suspicious. - Pale Rider

The traffic stop examples are the sort of mission creep that I was referring to. It looks like some cops just don't like it when someone jacks them up. Well bad luck, it's going to happen and there's no need for a loss of temper because someone gets a bit smart arse.

One thing I have to say, I don't understand the US process of sign the ticket or get locked up. Here we just take details and issue the ticket (no need to sign and if someone won't accept it they can get it posted t their address) or take details and serve a summons.

But getting back to the point - using a taser to get compliance is just damn lazy but it's happening a lot. I know it's difficult to arrest someone and drag them out of a car if they're resisting. It's hard work and it looks pretty scrappy, but it's better to get other cops involved and get mob-handed rather than tasing some bugger who is going to get removed from the vehicle anyway.

__________________
This computer has been drinking...not me.




The best foot goes forward.

It's about that 18.4 cents a gallon that you pay. The state wants to get some of that money back and they have to have only a certain number of highway deaths or less in order to receive that money. If speeding was really a problem, the cops would stop anyone going at least 1 MPH over the speed limit because that is actually breaking the law. It won't happen because the authorities would actually lose money doing that. There is a reason you hear about the monthly highway death rate compared to previous years. C.R.E.A.M.