SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home

I started to put this thread under conspiracies but it is really hapening. So it is not just a concept. Some gig banking money CEO's own those corporate pig farm operations and feed lots too. Not sure how many people here are old enough to recall the 1970's-80's farm crisis, but I can tell anyone out there with confidence that it is connected.

I don`t know when your next birthday is but I hope it`s before January 20, 2009!

If won't matter when Obama gets in office. He will create the 'Civilian National Security Force' which will be a federal police force that will be bigger and more intrusive than anything you've ever seen. He will protect you, your family, your neighbor and your cat. You won't need a gun. Trust the Government.

For many years, we (our company) was the largest fundraiser's for Muscular Dystrophy in our state. This is a long story, but, to make it short, they busted us for raising money for Jerry's kids, in a promotion where no one kept any money, it all went to MD and everything was donated. Yes, it was a game of chance and yes I did hold liquor licenses. Two cocky idiots trying to make a name for themselves. The problem came when they demanded access to my office. They never did gain access and had they, I would have taken Gunny's route. However, this all took place in one of the businesses with employee's and customers present, so, I was able to stand my ground more. A home is much different.

Over the years we have dealt with some really great people who have a badge and a weapon, but, in the same turn, there have been a few moments which have not been so good. A ego, a badge, a gun and stupidity is a bad mix.

Agreed, it just takes a few of the bad ones though to take out a small business owner and devastate a family. Our local sheriff gave out cards that had, "have gun will travel" as he stole my husband's and others equipment for the bank.

He told me I was under arrest at least a dozen times for reporting my stolen dozer. I had no clue initially he helped steal it.

I called the state police and got the run around. I called the attorney generals office and got the same run around.

Since the guy was already in the mode to do any damage he could they went through everything in my home, including my kitchen cupboards when they got the chance.


They kept me in court for several years. The whole time I truly was not comfortable returning to our trashed home. Who would be when law enforcement people are the law breakers and the justice people in the state will do nothing to stop it.

Two years after the initial set of threats a sheriff's deputy came out to private property once again I was being threatened. This guy put his hand on his gun to let me know how big and tough he was as I asked him for anything showing me he had a right to be on private property. He told me if he had to provide something in written form showing me he had a right to even be on private property that he was putting me under arrest. I am not ashame to say I was pretty shookup. I called the attorney general's office. The gal told me she just did not have time for me and said, "You just don't understand. I have had a very bad day." I wanted to tell her lady you have no idea what a bad day is.

In a meeting shortly after that last threat one of the lawyers that was supposed to be representing me said to the other one, "They will just call her a terrorist."

Three years after my dozer was stolen by the sheriff the local prosecutor called me and asked for another copy of the original complaint I had written to her about the first stolen dozer that included the sheriff's threats. She also looked at all of my information on that little dozer, cancelled checks etc... as she looked at one of the cancelled checks for several thousand dollars she exclaimed, "My god he really stole that dozer!" It was like "no shit!" he also stole a bunch of other heavy equipment after that. Not to mention all the stuff missing from our home.

My heart goes out to this family. I cannot concieve how tramatic this will be for their children. My grandchildren were not there when all this stuff went down with us but they have broken down in tears several times since. That part has been heart breaking for me to see them so hurt that life has changed so much since this whole thing started.

More and more kids should be made aware of incidents like these, and shown that government is NOT here to help them. It is GOVERNMENT ON THE TAKE

What a terrible story. I understand and do sympathize with you. You know, I have to say this, your story is strikingly familiar. I'll leave it at that.

A law enforcement officer should not be permitted to handout cards like that. It is unprofessional and frankly childishly egotistical, in a scary way. People like that are normally not tempered properly for that type of profession and are trigger and force happy.

You know we are back to where we began, one little family business and it's really nice to be able to relax some. We deal with three law enforcement agencies. The City, the County Sheriff's office and the Township Police. Our business opened in 1948, now clearly I am not that old.

However, I now have nearly 30 years of dealing directly with them. We also do a great deal of fundraising for the police lodge and the fallen officer funds. These are not handouts, as we do make a profit, just not a large one. Most goes to the charity. Nevertheless, we have made many friends and I have gotten to deal with several age groups of officers. Things have certainly changed. The new recruits are not coming out with the same temperament and social understanding as they did in years past. They are lazy, cocky and use very little common sense and reasoning. This is mostly noticeable with the cities force. The sheriff's are not nearly as bad and the Township officers simply do a wonderful job.

The mentality and outlook of these young city cops is really scary. The lack of judgement they use and lack of respect for the public is not good at all. We have been stuck with the same mayor, police chief and basically the same city council for many years now and these young cops are sadly reflective of them.

Our first business was at the same location from 48 until 5 years ago. We moved simply because of the mentality of all listed above. We are now just outside of the city limit. Thankfully we only had to go one mile down the road, but, things are so much better. We get better response times and much better service.

Common sense and basic common respect I guess are qualities which are hard to teach!

If this isn't a screaming example of how regulations BENEFIT big corporations, I don't know what is.

As I suspected though, most posters stayed out of this discussion. Most of the ones who posted in this thread, I expected. I think maybe two who posted here were unexpected.

This kind of story is too scary for most people to deal with the reality of. It's better to just ignore it and pretend we're still living in a free country.

It's NOT too scary, it is PAR FOR THE COURSE....that's why i moved up here to the middle of nowhere, thinking our chances of surviving the totalitarian rule would be greater....and now i read that the small homeboy ain't safer either....even here, where no real big agriculture exists that would want to squash the local's business....

I have recognized for years that the Big Agri business uses congress to kill the small businesses all in the name of Food Safety or some other reasonably named "excuse" for the "good" of the people....

The same thing with Wall Street, and Bankers and Oil Corps, etc....laws and regulations are writen to favor them, which kills off the little guy.

And as far as using a swat team, and terrorizing these people, I hope they sue the hell out of them for abusing their power and get millions for it...

And I am fully aware that our government has assumed so much more power since 911 thru the patriot act and thru homeland security yahdeedah....most dems and even some repubs and libertarians have been screaming about this for years now....

What do you suggest we do that will truely have an impact....the cards are FIXED against us....even the degregulation of the media has hurt us greatly in this mess, because too few people own it, and all of our news, comes from one source, the AP/reuters and their investigative reporters... and it is not the way it used to be, when there were true, investigative reporters in each and every town, with the small city town newspapers....

have i given up, on thinking we can actually do something to change this fate of doom that seems to be just right around the corner....yeah, i probaby have given up....but i have hope that you younger guys and gals have the strength to continue to fight the good fight!

care

Totalitarians can only increase thier power by keeping people in the dark. Unless someone passes on the truth to mainstreet you may be wise to give up. Demanding transparency must be our first and focused priority.

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Agreed.

There are many out there that have been so throughally stomped so they cannot speak out. For us even the little small town lawyers told me early on, "it is going to be a scorched earth policy." That was in order to try to contain the truth. I would have never thought for one moment prior to the last seven years that a state supreme court would fully ignore fraud and rule in agreement on a false statement of a lower court judge who obviously had an agenda to stomp out truth. They did that and then put the erroneous ruling on line in order obscure the truth.

When anyone takes into account that these events devastate the finances of the victims, they will understand why much of this never goes public. I have heard more excuses or advice of things like, "Forget it and moveon", or "for your own health and well being let it go", or even from larger law firms, "this is to big but I wish the you the best of luck." I had one gal at a US senators office tell me when i called to ask if they had even recieved my letter asking for help, "You need to write a diary each day." I told her, "Look I am living it each day and you expect me to recap at the end of each day the hell of the day these people are attempting to put us through?"

When one realizes how many judges are appointed by party affiliated politicians, there can be no doubt who is going to win at the end of the day.
We're screwed.

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"Some men eventually stumble over the truth but they usually pick themselves up and walk on as if nothing ever happened."
-Winston Churchill

"In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue, but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing." -Mark Twain

Only if we lay down and do nothing.