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12-09-2008, 07:34 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Care4all doesn't sound mandatory? what the heck??? It is being made mandatory. Iowa has a protocal for the system also. I have a few neighbors who are very concerned about it. They have taught their own children. {very well educated i might add} It is a family of four who have lived in these family farms for ages. one of the parents is a veternarian. They were telling me about the notices they had recieved one day while we were trying to figure out property boundries.
One of their concerns was if they send some of their herd in to the market and their cows are not marked the marketplace can literally steal their cows. or even though their cows have tags or are branded even if someone else stole the cows that has verisign tags can remark their cows and they can do nothing about it. The other concern is they are Believers and they will in no way take any "mark of the beast" even for their animals.
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12-09-2008, 07:46 PM
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Rep Power: 159 | | | More on ODA’s Manna Storehouse raid Thanks, Care! More on ODA’s Manna Storehouse raid « The Bovine Quote: The search warrant is reportedly supicious-looking. Agents began rifling through all of the family’s possessions, a task that lasted hours and resulted in a complete upheaval of every private area in the home. Many items were taken that were not listed on the search warrant. The family was not permitted a phone call, and they were not told what crime they were being charged with. They were not read their rights. Over ten thousand dollars worth of food was taken, including the family’s personal stock of food for the coming year. All of their computers, and all of their cell phones were taken, as well as phone and contact records. The food cooperative was virtually shut down. There was no rational explanation, nor justification, for this extreme violation of Constitutional rights.
Presumably Manna Storehouse might eventually be charged with running a retail establishment without a license. Why then the Gestapo-type interrogation for a 3rd degree misdemeanor charge? This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation’s private food supply.
This same type of abusive search and seizure was reported by those innocents who fell victim to oppressive federal drug laws passed in the 1990s. The present circumstance raises the obvious question: is there some rabid new interpretation of an existing drug law that considers food a controlled substance worthy of a nasty SWAT operation? Or worse, is there a previously unrecognized provision(s) pertaining to food in the Homeland Security measures? Some have suggested that it was merely an out-of-control, hot-to-trot ODA agent, and, if so, this would be a best-case scenario. Anything else might spell the beginning of the end for the freedom to eat unregulated and unmonitored food….”
“….The issue appears to be the discovery of a bit of non-institutional beef in an Oberlin College food service freezer a year ago that was tracked down by a county sanitation official to Manna Storehouse. Oberlin College’s student food coop is widely known for its strident ideological stance about eating organic foods. It seems that the Oberlin student food cooperative had joined the Manna Storehouse food cooperative in order to buy organic foods in bulk from the national organic food distributor United, which services buying clubs across the nation. The sanitation official, James Boddy, evidently contacted the Ohio Department of Agriculture. After the first contact by state ODA officials, Manna Storehouse reportedly wrote them a letter requesting assistance and guidelines for complying with the law. This letter was never answered. Rather, the ODA agent tried several times to infiltrate the coop, as described above. When his attempts failed, the SWAT team showed up!
Food cooperatives and buying clubs have been an active part of the American landscape for over a generation. In the 1970s, with the rise of the organic food industry (a direct outgrowth of the hippie back-to-nature movement) food coops started up all over the country. These were groups of people who freely associated for the purpose of combining their buying power so that they could order organic food items in bulk and case lots. Anyone who was part of these coops in the early era will remember the messy breakdown of 35 pounds of peanut butter and 5 gallon drums of honey!…
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12-09-2008, 08:10 PM
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Rep Power: 86 | | Missouri has, so far, beat back NAIS.  It is a big deal in my neck of the woods.
Couple this with what I heard on FoxNews today about the EPA catagorizing livestock burps and flatulence as 'polution'.
According to FoxNews (can't link right now) the EPA is floating the idea of levying a fee per animal...something like $400 per cow and $250 per hog.
It's pure, unaduterated insanity ! | 
12-09-2008, 08:15 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Missourian Missouri has, so far, beat back NAIS.  It is a big deal in my neck of the woods.
Couple this with what I heard on FoxNews today about the EPA catagorizing livestock burps and flatulence as 'polution'.
According to FoxNews (can't link right now) the EPA is floating the idea of levying a fee per animal...something like $400 per cow and $250 per hog.
It's pure, unaduterated insanity ! Thanks for the information MO. Agreed that would be insane. | 
12-09-2008, 08:24 PM
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Rep Power: 86 | | Hope this link works FOXNews.com - Proposed Fee on Smelly Cows and Hogs Angers Farmers - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News Quote: MONTGOMERY, Ala.*—* For farmers, this stinks: Belching and gaseous cows and hogs could start costing them money if a federal proposal to charge fees for air-polluting animals becomes law. Farmers so far are turning their noses up at the notion, which is one of several put forward by the Environmental Protection Agency after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that greenhouse gases emitted by belching and flatulence amounts to air pollution. "This is one of the most ridiculous things the federal government has tried to do," said Alabama Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks, an outspoken opponent of the proposal. It would require farms or ranches with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs to pay an annual fee of about $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog. The executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, Ken Hamilton, estimated the fee would cost owners of a modest-sized cattle ranch $30,000 to $40,000 a year. He said he has talked to a number of livestock owners about the proposals, and "all have said if the fees were carried out, it would bankrupt them." For more the link is at the top.
My numbers were a little off.
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12-09-2008, 08:33 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Missourian Driving up the cost of food affects everyone. This is ridiculous. Another ploy to control the people via greed. | 
12-09-2008, 08:38 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by RodISHI What would you do if this happened to you? Probably die because I'd open fire on their asses.
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12-09-2008, 08:40 PM
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Rep Power: 19 | | | Been through that with the ATF. I got back most of what they took. They never did gain access to what they wanted, as I phoned my lawyer inspite of them telling me to not make any calls. They could have shot me or let me make the call. And of course I got a BS letter of apology. The were trying to bust me for running games of chance in a bar. Jerry Lewis appeared as my witness and a VP from Bud. The case was thrown out.
Yep, they can be real assholes. These people need to hang someones ass out to dry over this. | 
12-09-2008, 08:42 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus Been through that with the ATF. I got back most of what they took. They never did gain access to what they wanted, as I phoned my lawyer inspite of them telling me to not make any calls. They could have shot me or let me make the call. And of course I got a BS letter of apology. The were trying to bust me for running games of chance in a bar. Jerry Lewis appeared as my witness and a VP from Bud. The case was thrown out.
Yep, they can be real assholes. These people need to hang someones ass out to dry over this. I'm not involved in anything so anyone bursting through my door is a criminal by default and gets shot and I don't care WHAT they're yelling.
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12-09-2008, 08:49 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lycurgus Been through that with the ATF. I got back most of what they took. They never did gain access to what they wanted, as I phoned my lawyer inspite of them telling me to not make any calls. They could have shot me or let me make the call. And of course I got a BS letter of apology. The were trying to bust me for running games of chance in a bar. Jerry Lewis appeared as my witness and a VP from Bud. The case was thrown out.
Yep, they can be real assholes. These people need to hang someones ass out to dry over this. I am happy that you were able to get help. I wish those of us who are not connected to anyone would be afforded the same as far as protection from bullies. | 
12-09-2008, 08:52 PM
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Rep Power: 26 | | | Funny how the feds can crack down on small operations like this, but for the big agricorps that can afford the hush money, it's no problem. Even if they are raising a gazillion hogs, stinking up the entire county, producing waste runoff that will literally kill anyone who falls in within minutes, fish kills when it gets to the rivers, etc. | 
12-09-2008, 08:57 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny Probably die because I'd open fire on their asses. I tell ya what, if this thing is really true, i think even I, would do the same! (If I only owned a gun)
I'm telling ya, before my next birthday, I plan on owning a handgun and a shotgun, at least!
one of the handful of neighbors I do have here in the middle of nowhere, has a rod and gun /riffle range on his property...he is two neighbors down the winding road....anyway, my closest neighbor said that he knows that neighbor would teach me how to use a gun/ riffle/ shotgun/whatever for free if i wanted, and use his range for free to practice.
I really should do this, just for the fact that coyotes, a pack of them, were seen in the meadow across the way in front of my house by my neighbor a short while back, anddddddd, i love my cat and would shoot any thing trying to kill her!
Hubby, already knows how to use a gun/riffle since he went thru basic training years ago but I am just clueless.
sorry for the babbling....just figured if i said it out loud to you all....''i am going to get a gun or two'', then i would be forced to stand by my own word, stop procastinating, and do it before my next birthday.
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12-09-2008, 08:57 PM
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12-09-2008, 09:01 PM
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Rep Power: 26 | | Quote: It would require farms or ranches with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs to pay an annual fee of about $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 per head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog. The executive vice president of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, Ken Hamilton, estimated the fee would cost owners of a modest-sized cattle ranch $30,000 to $40,000 a year. He said he has talked to a number of livestock owners about the proposals, and "all have said if the fees were carried out, it would bankrupt them." I wonder which agri-corp lobbyist whispered in which congressman's ear, who in turn whispered in a high-level EPA bureaucrat's ear? The details are always interesting. This sort of fee would place a nice barrier to any ranch that wishes to expand. The biggest firms can more easily afford the fees once they have a truly huge operation with economies of scale, but small ranches trying to break into the mid-leagues would find a huge barrier.
And any existing mid-size operations waiting in the wings to take the place of the giants if they are run poorly? Why they would be conveniently gone. |  | |
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