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Old 09-09-2008, 02:02 PM
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then, if you, as the joint tenant of the property and mutal user of the yard have not expressed concern over the sign (ie you feel it infringes on your rights to either remain impartial or you feel it expresses views you don't believe in and fear that someone may take this as YOUR endorsement) then he's out of luck. He's also out of luck if he didn't stipulate to this rule in the lease.

The fact that he has made it clear that this is a personal issue for him and centers around him not wanting to "look at the sign" when he comes around pretty much puts it into the area of infringement on their civil rights. They could most assuredly contact a civil rights attorney and make waves. This would be perfect for someone to pick up and run with too...make a great human interest story.
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Old 09-09-2008, 02:10 PM
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then, if you, as the joint tenant of the property and mutal user of the yard have not expressed concern over the sign (ie you feel it infringes on your rights to either remain impartial or you feel it expresses views you don't believe in and fear that someone may take this as YOUR endorsement) then he's out of luck. He's also out of luck if he didn't stipulate to this rule in the lease.

The fact that he has made it clear that this is a personal issue for him and centers around him not wanting to "look at the sign" when he comes around pretty much puts it into the area of infringement on their civil rights. They could most assuredly contact a civil rights attorney and make waves. This would be perfect for someone to pick up and run with too...make a great human interest story.
I agree. I'm not sure if the neighbors would be as willing to pursue the issue as I might be if it was me and I didn't care about re-upping my lease another year, though. In fact, they took the sign down like good little *****es without question, so maybe they feel the same way as I do about continuing the lease.

If it was me, and I really wanted to be a ****, I'd ask for an early renewal of the lease for another year, and THEN pursue the sign issue.

Because I'm pretty sure at the end of the lease he is free to either renew us or not, at his discretion.

He's not the worst landlord in the world, otherwise. We always pay on time, so he seems to care a little more about our grievances, as few as they have been. I hear he's a slumlord though. He owns a lot of rental property, and from my experiences, landlords who own a lot of rental property are the worst kind because they'd rather not deal with the expense of all the upkeep. And they know that most tenants are going to take it in the ass for probably the same reason that I'm saying that I personally would.

Luckily I'm pretty handy with multiple labor trades, and I can fix just about anything that goes wrong. I'm not about nickel and diming the guy to death. We seem to have earned credibility in his eyes because of that and the on-time payments.

I'm basically using the guy for a roof over my head until I don't need him anymore, and he's using us for his income. It works out perfectly.
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Old 09-10-2008, 01:40 AM
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This probably could have been put in Ethics as well, but whatever.

My neighbors have the same landlord as we do. They're Obama supporters, and they have an Obama yard sign put up in their section of the yard that we both actually share (the yard, not the sign). Apparently, the landlord wants them to take down the sign because he's a Republican, and he doesn't want to "have to keep looking at it" when he comes around.

Now, I realize that it's actually his property and they are just renting, but I'm wondering how much of a leg he has to stand on in this situation. This same landlord allowed me to repaint our entire unit with custom colors, he allowed me to replace the kitchen countertop when we moved in, and took it off the rent, and it was at our request, not something he was originally going to do. He also allowed me to till a big section of the backyard grass to plant a vegetable garden. There are a lot of things he allowed us to do, basically.

What I'm wondering is, how much of a right does he really have to tell them to take down the sign, in light of the fact that he's allowed so much alteration of the property otherwise. He doesn't have to look at the sign. He's letting his personal feelings come between fair use and, perhaps, tenant rights.

I'd have to read the lease again to see if it mentions political advertisements, but I really don't remember seeing it when we signed ours. Not that it would matter much I suppose, had they placed a McCain sign out instead.

What are your thoughts?
if he has the standard clause in the rental agreement about requiring permission to alter the outside, he can tell them to take it down...however, as a businessman, he should just let it pass......what does he want more.....a good tenant or a pissed off one....it just isn't worth it economically.....
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then, if you, as the joint tenant of the property and mutal user of the yard have not expressed concern over the sign (ie you feel it infringes on your rights to either remain impartial or you feel it expresses views you don't believe in and fear that someone may take this as YOUR endorsement) then he's out of luck. He's also out of luck if he didn't stipulate to this rule in the lease.

The fact that he has made it clear that this is a personal issue for him and centers around him not wanting to "look at the sign" when he comes around pretty much puts it into the area of infringement on their civil rights. They could most assuredly contact a civil rights attorney and make waves. This would be perfect for someone to pick up and run with too...make a great human interest story.
not really....most rental agreements have standard clauses in them about altering the outside.....hanging a sign could fall underneath this....
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not really....most rental agreements have standard clauses in them about altering the outside.....hanging a sign could fall underneath this....
there is no civil rights violation here at all. No one has the right to put a sign on someone else's property. The renter in this case does not own the property therefore he has no right to put anything on the landlord's property without his express permission. the renter can hang his sign on the inside of his front window if he wants but he cannot place it on the lawn because he has no right.
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there is no civil rights violation here at all. No one has the right to put a sign on someone else's property. The renter in this case does not own the property therefore he has no right to put anything on the landlord's property without his express permission. the renter can hang his sign on the inside of his front window if he wants but he cannot place it on the lawn because he has no right.
Why do you say that? simply not true. A renter rents the yard and the house.... and UNLESS the landlord made specific mention to this in the lease, the renter can put up the sign of a politician in the yard that they are leasing, if there is no community rules/laws against doing such....is my understanding of tenent/landlord laws....

When we lease our land to oil companies, can we tell them they can have no signs listing their company name on the rig? No we can't, unless such was writen in to the lease.

There was nothing in this lease that stated specifically that putting up a politician's sign was not permitted, thus the tenants can do such....just like putting up a sign for your 10 year old selling lemonade...unless there is a community rule or specific mention in the lease against such, it is A-ok?

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