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07-29-2008, 05:22 PM
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Rep Power: 12 | | | 1) I am all for DNA testing in cases where there actually is evidence, one way or another, that sways in the balance between guilt and innocence
2) When do the appeals stop? What test next? There is a point where everything is exhausted, but our system of seemingly endless appeals keeps death row scum alive longer than the families of victims
3) I am all for the death penalty. Once fried or skewered or injected or gassed or shot or hung or whatever, the repeat crime rate of that person is exactly 0%. A sane society eliminates it's maniacal killers
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07-30-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave 1) I am all for DNA testing in cases where there actually is evidence, one way or another, that sways in the balance between guilt and innocence
2) When do the appeals stop? What test next? There is a point where everything is exhausted, but our system of seemingly endless appeals keeps death row scum alive longer than the families of victims
3) I am all for the death penalty. Once fried or skewered or injected or gassed or shot or hung or whatever, the repeat crime rate of that person is exactly 0%. A sane society eliminates it's maniacal killers | As long as you are willing to put your money where your mouth is and go to the chair yourself if it is conclusively proven any innocent person has been executed, then you aren't a hypocrite. |
07-30-2008, 08:32 AM
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With my morals and behavior, I don't see putting myself in that type of situation...
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07-30-2008, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave Funny
With my morals and behavior, I don't see putting myself in that type of situation... |
Innocent people die. Eyewitness tesimony is often totally wrong.
I say if there's DNA evidence to be gathered it should be done ESPECIALLY in capital cases. |
07-30-2008, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave 1) I am all for DNA testing in cases where there actually is evidence, one way or another, that sways in the balance between guilt and innocence
2) When do the appeals stop? What test next? There is a point where everything is exhausted, but our system of seemingly endless appeals keeps death row scum alive longer than the families of victims
3) I am all for the death penalty. Once fried or skewered or injected or gassed or shot or hung or whatever, the repeat crime rate of that person is exactly 0%. A sane society eliminates it's maniacal killers | If the state is going to take a man's life for a crime -- the ultimate price of mortal men and there are no do-overs -- then the state needs to exhaust EVERY means to ensure there is no mistake.
I get frustrated with the appeals process too, but fixing THAT makes more sense and is more morally acceptable to me than executing innocent people.
Imagine how that must feel. KNOWING you did not commit a crime and watching them execute you and nothing you can say is going to stop it. When that can come down to how good a lawyer you can get, the system's broken.
People get caught up too much in the moral argument as the problem without looking at actual cause and effect. We have the death penalty. We use the death penalty. Is our application of the death penalty foolproof?
Not even close. Fix what's broken first. THEN argue your morals.
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave Funny
With my morals and behavior, I don't see putting myself in that type of situation... | I doubt the ones that are executed for something they didn't do never saw themselves in that position either.
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07-30-2008, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ravi I doubt the ones that are executed for something they didn't do never saw themselves in that position either. | Except that many are career criminals or criminals of another sort that were in a situation or put themselves in a situation to be where they are...
Could I be thrust into a weird situation where my fingerprints are somewhere and an eyewitness confuses my average looks for someone else's? yep... there is a chance of ANYTHING happening in this world... but with proper decision making in life, it is HIGHLY unlikely
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07-30-2008, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave Except that many are career criminals or criminals of another sort that were in a situation or put themselves in a situation to be where they are...
Could I be thrust into a weird situation where my fingerprints are somewhere and an eyewitness confuses my average looks for someone else's? yep... there is a chance of ANYTHING happening in this world... but with proper decision making in life, it is HIGHLY unlikely | So your position is that these people likely deserved it anyways?  |
07-30-2008, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality So your position is that these people likely deserved it anyways? | Nice try...
My position is that many times, they are in this position because of choices and other behaviors... not that anyone that is not a murderer (or child molester, in my eyes) is 'deserving' of the death penalty
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07-30-2008, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondDave Nice try...
My position is that many times, they are in this position because of choices and other behaviors... not that anyone that is not a murderer (or child molester, in my eyes) is 'deserving' of the death penalty | Riiiiiiight! I mean Sean Bell was leaving a strip club without a weapon and NYPD gave him the death penalty.
Stupid perspective. |
07-30-2008, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality Riiiiiiight! I mean Sean Bell was leaving a strip club without a weapon and NYPD gave him the death penalty.
Stupid perspective. | And you jump yards ahead again.. instead of dealing with the statement and associated situation...
As stated... many have history, actions during that time, etc that put them into the situation to be charged, tried, and convicted....
I just have a way of behaving and a code of conduct where I do not put myself in those situations
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Originally Posted by Reality Riiiiiiight! I mean Sean Bell was leaving a strip club without a weapon and NYPD gave him the death penalty.
Stupid perspective. | I get the distinct feeling you have a complete distrust of the judicial system and the law eforcement arm of it.
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Originally Posted by Gunny I get the distinct feeling you have a complete distrust of the judicial system and the law eforcement arm of it. | Ya think?
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