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Hell, you don't have to go back to the 1840's. The US seized half of Alaska and put it under federal (national park) control within the last couple of decades.
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Hell, you don't have to go back to the 1840's. The US seized half of Alaska and put it under federal (national park) control within the last couple of decades.
I know, and the US continues to seize lands both domestically and internationally. Such barbaric activities however have to be stopped. I believe offsprings deserve to live their lives in some semblance of peace, rather than spending needed energy and time attempting to cover up for the ills of their forefathers.


Imagine how wealthy people would be, if federal money was not being constantly spent in wars to cover evil tracks of malicious deeds of forefathers. Just imagine.
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Hell, you don't have to go back to the 1840's. The US seized half of Alaska and put it under federal (national park) control within the last couple of decades.
I know, and the US continues to seize lands both domestically and internationally. Such barbaric activities however have to be stopped. I believe offsprings deserve to live their lives in some semblance of peace, rather than spending needed energy and time attempting to cover up for the ills of their forefathers.


Imagine how wealthy people would be, if federal money was not being constantly spent in wars to cover evil tracks of malicious deeds of forefathers. Just imagine.
I haven't seen evidence that the US has seized international land lately, not that I'm against the concept.
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Hell, you don't have to go back to the 1840's. The US seized half of Alaska and put it under federal (national park) control within the last couple of decades.
I know, and the US continues to seize lands both domestically and internationally. Such barbaric activities however have to be stopped. I believe offsprings deserve to live their lives in some semblance of peace, rather than spending needed energy and time attempting to cover up for the ills of their forefathers.


Imagine how wealthy people would be, if federal money was not being constantly spent in wars to cover evil tracks of malicious deeds of forefathers. Just imagine.
I haven't seen evidence that the US has seized international land lately, not that I'm against the concept.


Why am I not surprised? Anyway, Ivory Coast, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan are but few International States currently being colonized by the US and its allies.

What do you think the unjust invasions, unnecessary killings and unlawful occupation of these lands are? These are US and allies colonization of these nations:

In Colonization, the perpetrator only needs puppet (be it ambassador or native of victim land) to carry out its wishes. Remember Thomas Gage and Francis Smith? They were representatives of the British government that was imposing upon North Americans in the 1770s. This, was colonization in action.

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Over 94.33% of the votes cast (a record turnout at the time) were in FAVOR of Hawaii becoming a State and adopting the Act of Congress granting Statehood.

So much for the "colony" bullshit.

I am simply telling you folks what Native Hawaiian Paul Neves and his friends are saying. I appreciate your document, though an old record.
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My bet is that less than 0.1% of Hawaiian citizens give a shit what he says.... But he's an American, he has a right to say it........
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Ivory Coast, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan are but few International States currently being colonized by the US and its allies.


No they're not, you idiot.
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Ivory Coast, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan are but few International States currently being colonized by the US and its allies.


No they're not, you idiot.

Colonization can take several forms, such as was the case in North America up to the 1770s. In Colonization, the perpetrator may decide to simply use puppet (be it ambassador or native of victim land) to carry out its wishes. Remember Thomas Gage and Francis Smith?

Thomas Gage and Francis Smith were representatives of the British government that was imposing upon North Americans up to the 1770s. This, was a form of colonization. Of course, when North Americans resisted British impositions (they too like freedom fighting Middle Easterners, Africans and others in developing nations), were called insurgents and terrorists by the British.
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Ivory Coast, Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan are but few International States currently being colonized by the US and its allies.


No they're not, you idiot.

Colonization can take several forms


None of which apply, idiot.
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No they're not, you idiot.

Colonization can take several forms


None of which apply, idiot.
Colonization, the perpetrator may decide to simply use puppet (be it ambassador or native of victim land) to carry out its wishes. Remember Thomas Gage and Francis Smith?

Thomas Gage and Francis Smith were representatives of the British government that was imposing upon North Americans up to the 1770s. This, was a form of colonization. Of course, when North Americans resisted British impositions (they too like freedom fighting Middle Easterners, Africans and others in developing nations), were called insurgents and terrorists by the British.
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Hawaii was first occupied by American servicemen. The queen was put into prison and lands confiscated from native Hawaiians. Japanese Americans were brought in to work the fields and factories. when the vote for statehood was taken the japanese Americans outnumbered the native hawaiians 10 to 1.
Hawaii was taken over by the US. Only in the last decade have native hawaiians that could prove themselves native were allowed to get their land back. Just like the native Americans the Hawaiians were never given the chance to say no to statehood.
Many resent it but too few of the population to have any weight politically.
It is a sad history that lies hidden. Hawaii was a good supplier of sugar and an excelent naval base. Two things the US needed before the war. It became even more important after WWII as a naval base and radar base in the middle of the Pacific. I was nine years old when Hawaii became a state and I had an aunt that lived on the big island. She was horrified by the treatment of the Hawaiians at the hands of the US military. This was a military coup backed by a seeded election. The state of Hawaii should still be the Kingdom of Hawaii with a reigning queen.
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Yada yada.

YEah.

It's still a State.
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Hawaii was first occupied by American servicemen. The queen was put into prison and lands confiscated from native Hawaiians. Japanese Americans were brought in to work the fields and factories.

When the vote for statehood was taken, the Japanese Americans outnumbered the Native Hawaiians 10 to 1. Hawaii was taken over by the US. Only in the last decade have Native Hawaiians that could prove themselves native were allowed to get their land back. Just like the Native Americans, the Hawaiians were never given the chance to say "no" to statehood.

Many resent it, but too few of the population to have any weight politically.It is a sad history that lies hidden.

Hawaii was a good supplier of sugar and an excelent naval base: Two things the US needed before the war. It became even more important after WWII as a naval base and radar base in the middle of the Pacific.

I was nine years old when Hawaii became a state and I had an aunt that lived on the big island. She was horrified by the treatment of the Hawaiians at the hands of the US military. This was a military coup backed by a seeded election. The state of Hawaii should still be the Kingdom of Hawaii with a reigning queen.

I greatly appreciate your above input. Paul Neves and his friends insist the Kingdom of Hawaii was never relinquished by Native Hawaiians. I suspected and stated earlier that those who voted for US statehood may have been immigrants, not the Natives. Thanks, again.

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