Tyranny's Enabler
By Frank J. Gaffney, Jr., Center for Security Policy
April 14, 2008

In point of fact, it seems there is scarcely a serious bad actor on the planet with whom Jimmy Carter has not met. He is a serial tyrant-enabler, the very personification of Rodney King's risible appeal, "Can't we all get along?" Mr. Carter has come to epitomize the notion that "dialogue" is always in order, no matter how odious or dangerous the interlocutor – or the extent to which they or their agendas will benefit from such interactions.

As Barak Obama (whom Carter has all but endorsed) is as wedded as the former President to the idea of condition-free dialogue with tyrants, it is worth reflecting on just a few of the many example's of how this Carteresque practice has produced disastrous results:

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“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

Yeah, Jimmy's one scary dude.

Lets look more closely at the charges.

So he undermined...a dictator. Wait, I thought the article was against tyranny?

Wait...did Carter make the deal? No, but apparently he "gave rise to it". Okkkkk then.

Patently false, since he performed an audit of the results.

Again, a lie. As if Chavez needed Carter to hand him victory?

So how well has the Bush doctrine of just not talking to our enemies worked?

Hmmm, they are now dealing with Iran.

To take the fangs away from organizations like Hammas, you force them toward a formalized government. Over time, they will follow the laws because that's how they get what they want.

Ignore them and they continue to kill folks until they get your attention.

To England, we were a bunch of terrorists. We didn't even fight fair. We hid behind trees instead of marching on line into battle.

Oh, here we go with the old, "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" argument that the libbies drag up everytime they want to write Hamas a check for some AK47s and C4. Difference is, don't recall any of the people fighting in the Revolution TARGETING women and children.

Hamas is the perfect example of giving a mouse a cookie and it's going to want a glass of milk. They think they got where they are through force of arms and their great resistance. That's what they teach the kiddies there. Any guess as to how they're going to try to get more changes done?

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.

There's a difference between dealing with enemies and dealing with criminals. Giving them what they want just enables them further and the demands get larger.

Who is Jimmy Carter? Hamas wants Israel off the map. Can Jimmy deliver? No.

And comparing us to Islamic terrorists is just plain bull. We waged war against the English Army. We didn't go to London and indisciminantly blow up housewives and kids.

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Congratulations on your selective memory.

I "remember" perfectly well the US vaporizing more than 200.000 japanese civilians in order to spare its troops.

And the country wasn't even fighting for the american homeland like the palestinian people.

Moron, but then we already knew that. We have had this discussion before.

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-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

As usual, you make comparing apples and oranges the staple of your intellectually dishonest argument.

What homeland are Palestinians fighting for? WHEN exactly was the last time Palestine existed as an autonomous Nation? Palestine was a state within Transjordan which was in turn subjugated by the Ottoman Empire. There was no "homeland."

In turn, these Palestinians have waged a war of murder against non-military targets, using suicide bombers and firing missiles indiscriminantly into cities and towns.

Comparing THAT reprehensible and unacceptable behavior to the US waging a war against another nation that was started by the latter is laughable at best. Even then, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were major Japanese industrial hubs -- part of the Japanese war effort and as such were legitimate military targets by anyone's standards of war.

You have no argument.

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[quote=Larkinn;672792] So he undermined...a dictator. Wait, I thought the article was against tyranny?

Not only did Carter undermine the Shah of Iran, a proven friend of the U.S., but his undermining led to the coming to power of an anti-U.S., theocratic government that has proven to be far worse than the Shah's. I’ll bet the Irani people, as well as the American people, would be happy to have the Shah back in power.

Jimmy Carter was only in Venezuela a very short time, so the audit had to be cursory, not in-depth. You can opine that it was patently false that Carter ignored evidence of official vote-rigging and election fraud, but there is credible evidence that he did. (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion.../mb_040820.htm) Carter is an avowed opponent of the use of exit polls in elections, so his decision against this evidence just supported his own thinking.

Prior to the Venezuelan election, Europeans declined to serve as election observers because they felt too many restrictions were placed upon them by the Chavez government. Carter should have been so wise.

Well, you got that right. Since Chavez controlled all facets of the government, having an election in Venezuela was like having an election in Putin’s Russia or Castro’s Cuba. Carter’s participation in approving the election results after a cursory audit did nothing but lend creditability to Chavez’s government. Carter’s main talent is lending credibility to tyrannical governments.

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"In war, there is no alternative but to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. There is no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." General Douglas MacArthur

“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

The Bush Administration and Iran have been having informal talks for the past five years.
(http://agonist.org/hannes_artens/200...for_five_years)

Hamas is currently a functioning part of the Palestinian government, but I don’t remember anyone forcing them to become participants.

You just got outsmarted by a rag-tag bunch of colonists, who didn't have a one-star general among them.

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"In war, there is no alternative but to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. There is no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." General Douglas MacArthur

“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

I'm sure the American people would want the Shah back. However, the American people deciding over sovreign nations governments for them is exactly what tyranny is.

As I said...your interest isn't in tyranny. You don't seem to care about that.

Was there evidence of vote-rigging? Yes. However Carter did an Audit after the vote to check into that evidence. So, as I said, its patently false to claim he lied.

When was the last time Putin/Castro lost a vote? When was the last time Chavez lost a vote?

They aren't the same.

Chavez is significantly more democratic than the Shah of Iran was. But you don't care about Democracy or tyranny do you? You only care about anti-Americanism.

What a b.s. post. But you're entitled to your opinion. Believe what you want to believe.

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"In war, there is no alternative but to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. There is no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." General Douglas MacArthur

“Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.” Jean-Francois Revel

Why bother with Larkinn, he twists and spins everything. He thinks he wins points by parsing what is means. I love when he stammers out " words have meanings" as he engages in proving they really do not. At least if one were to listen to his mindless blather, twisting, spinning and parsing.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

Once again, Josie, you make your argument based on entirely different situations that do not even begin to compare. This argument is so fucking moronic, I'm not even sure where to start on destroying it.

I'll keep it simple for you and use small words. World War II was a total war where civilians were a target (that's why they called it a WORLD war) as compared to a revolution where civilians were not targeted.

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The greatest happiness is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see those dear to them bathed in tears, to clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.

Genghis Khan

Leroy Green: The truth will be revealed only to eyes unclouded by desire.
Sho'nuff: It's mumbo jumbo like that and skinny little lizards like you thinkin' they the Last Dragon that gives kung-fu a bad name.