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Old 02-29-2008, 04:42 AM
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Abbas Learning Words Matter, Especially To The Press

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February 29, 2008, 4:00 a.m.

Will the State Department Side with American Terror Victims or Yasser Arafat?
As Abbas brags about Fatah’s terror legacy, we wait and watch.

By Andrew C. McCarthy

After nearly 3,000 Americans were murdered in the atrocities of September 11, 2001, President Bush boldly announced that the United States would not distinguish between terror networks and the regimes that support them. They would all be regarded as hostile and dealt with accordingly.

What a sad commentary it is that, less than seven years later, we are left to wonder whether our State Department will stand with the American victims of terror or join forces with the other side: a regime with a long, remorseless record of practicing terrorism, preaching terrorism, and murdering Americans.

In 2002, in the midst of the second Intifada launched by terror master Yasser Arafat in which hundreds were killed, an American citizen named Aharon Ellis was murdered in Hadera, Israel, when Palestinian terrorists attacked during a bar mitzvah he was attending. His widow, Leslye Knox, brought suit on behalf of herself, their six children, and other family members under a federal law enacted by Congress in 1990 to compensate the victims of terrorism.

In 2006, a federal judge entered a judgment ordering the Palestinian Authority (PA) and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) to pay approximately $174 million in damages.

The PA and PLO are legacies of Arafat. Currently, the PA is led by President Mahmoud Abbas, the protégé who now leads Arafat’s creation, the Fatah party. Fatah’s charter continues to pledge that the organization’s aim is the destruction of Israel. Fatah, moreover, maintains its own terrorist wing, the al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades, which continue to carry out terrorist attacks against Israel.

Fatah, however, controls only the West Bank. That is because a second terrorist organization sworn to Israel’s annihilation, Hamas, controls Gaza. Hamas was in a position to seize control because, when given an opportunity to vote in a 2006 election, the Palestinian people freely chose Hamas terrorists to run their government. This should come as no surprise: polling demonstrates that an overwhelming majority of the Palestinian people — having been immersed in PA-controlled media and educated in the PA-controlled schools — support the demise of the Jewish state. True to form, once it was victorious in the popular election, Hamas brutally ousted its rival Fatah from Gaza.

Despite the relentless practice of Palestinian terror, and despite the president’s post-9/11 admonition, the Bush administration has foolishly supported Fatah with millions of dollars in financial assistance and weaponry. Indeed, when Hamas captured Gaza, it reportedly seized a trove of American assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, rocket launchers, ammunition and armored personnel carriers from Fatah compounds.

The State Department, which champions lavish U.S. support for Abbas, rationalizes that Fatah is a force for “moderation.” Yet, at a 2007 celebration to honor Arafat’s memory, Abbas urged a throng of 50,000 Palestinians to re-aim their guns at the “occupation” (i.e., Israel) instead of turning them on each other: “Fatah,” he promised, “will not give up our principles and we have said that rifles should be directed against the occupation.... We have a legitimate right to direct our guns against Israeli occupation....”

And just last week, Abbas revealed that his current feint at negotiations with Israel is — like his mentor Arafat’s similar tactics — a strategic pause at best. He explained to a Jordanian newspaper that he was not pursuing “the armed struggle” at “this present juncture” only “because we can’t succeed in it.” He was quick to add, though, that “maybe in the future things will be different.”

Remarkably, Abbas proceeded to brag about the foundational role he and Fatah had played in modern Islamic terrorism. “I had the honor of firing the first shot in 1965 and of being the one who taught resistance to many in the region and around the world,” he recounted. In fact, repeating the familiar use of “resistance” as a euphemism for terror attacks against civilians, Abbas bragged that Fatah “had the honor of leading the resistance and we taught resistance to everyone, including Hizballah, who trained in our military camps.” ....
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Old 02-29-2008, 09:30 AM
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Just think, Kath... In twenty years we might just see the next Nelson Mandela spring from an israeli prison!
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"...In fact, repeating the familiar use of “resistance” as a euphemism for terror attacks against civilians..."

Trouble is they have a legal right of resistance to occupation under international law. Anyone who would NOT resist occupation would a capitulator, I hope nobody here would side with an occupying force were it threatening their neighborhood.
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hey, it just depends on the application of a Scarlet A, dude. Thankfully, there was no word for "we hate the white people who have carved out a nation for themselves while curb stomping the native population based solely on ethnicity." available for Nelson Mandela... Which, as we can see, worked out in the long run.
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"...In fact, repeating the familiar use of “resistance” as a euphemism for terror attacks against civilians..."

Trouble is they have a legal right of resistance to occupation under international law. Anyone who would NOT resist occupation would a capitulator, I hope nobody here would side with an occupying force were it threatening their neighborhood.
Nice arrogant twist of the matter. I hope none here would support terrorism and support of the Holocaust! Too Late!
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hey, it just depends on the application of a Scarlet A, dude. Thankfully, there was no word for "we hate the white people who have carved out a nation for themselves while curb stomping the native population based solely on ethnicity." available for Nelson Mandela... Which, as we can see, worked out in the long run.
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Nice arrogant twist of the matter. I hope none here would support terrorism and support of the Holocaust! Too Late!
There is a difference (though difficult to distinguish) between unlawful combatants (generally labeled terrorists) and lawful combatants (insurgent/resistance fighter though labeled terrorist too)

Unlawful Combatants (Hezbollah, Al-Qaeda, ALF, ELA, KKK, Aryan Nations and others) generally represent an political ideology or religious group. They may or may not target a specific nation or ethnic group as a result. They are not generally representative of a specific nation, region, territory, or ethnic group. They are generally autonomous cells which work as part of a larger network in order to recieve funding, munitions, and etc. They are typically less organized since their messages are generally political or religious in nature.

Lawful Combatants (Hamas, Fatah, PA (formerly PLO), Chechen Fighters, Tibetan resisters) generally are from a group under occupation, or an ethnic group which has already been the target of de facto or de jure progroms. These groups represent an ethnicity or regional group and act in the name of their region for the purpose of regaining sovereignty or defending their ethnic group from progroms. They have legal right to resist as they are occupied or being targeted by a government. They usually have their own secret goverments that operate underground or they could be elements from governments in exile.
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Dumb ass!
ehh Fuck You. Don't you have a hoax star of david to plant so that you can claim discrimination?
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