That means we can bullshit voters until after the elections.

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"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it."
P. J. O'Rourke

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
Thomas Paine

The whole thing is sprinkled with tidbits for Bush apologists to extract and use in an effort to paint this as something other than a timetable.

It better not be a timetable. Do you not understand that pulling out based upon artificial time and not based upon conditions on the ground is a horrible way to operate?

It's a timetable ... just reaching this tentative agreement shatters everything that has been coming from the Bush Administration about timetables ... pure hypocrisy ... sneaking in that it's based on "conditions on the ground" is just there for the sping meisters to play with ... by announcing that it's based on the "conditions on the ground" they've told the enemy there that if they chill out and go into hiding between now and the tentative date ... and things look good ... American forces are coming home in bulk.

The pro-war crowd has been calling those advocating this surrender monkey's ... cut and runners ... traitors!!!

But since BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH is saying that it's different it will be gobbled up like candy.

About Face!!!

BULLSHIT. The plan ALL ALONG has been to turn over the job to the Iraqis. Which means at some point we leave the fighting to them. They say they are ready and seem to be doing ok at it, so we agree we will leave as they take over.

THAT was the plan ALL along.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

And now the Bush Administration has told the terrorists that they just need to lay low for less than a year then the Americans will leave ... I know if I were a terrorist leader that's what I would be telling my organization after hearing this news.

LOL, ya cause there are so many of them left. The US will maintain combat forces to assist the Iraqis for some time. THAT also has been the plan ALL along.

The day to day security will fall on the Iraqis with us maintaining a reaction force to aid them around the Country. Eventually we will cease the reaction forces as well or draw them down to something similar to Korea.

I guess the North Koreans missed the pull out of most of the American Army in early 50's?

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

They knew they'd be facing total war if they made a move ... There's a glaring difference between North Korea and terrorists ... terrorists don't have a country ... nor do they think or act in the same way those with a country do ... they don't care ... and after all the U.S. has done they can't turn around and nuke Baghdad.

I am so happy that Bush and Co. are now implementing the plan that others once suggested...the plan that when anyone else suggested it, the Neo-cons characterized it as cowardly and caving into terrorism.

The fact that Bush and Co. have changed their minds, and now recognize that turning over Iraq to the Iraqi is a grand idea, really is the important thing.

The Iraq policy should not be about saving face, but about saving lives.

I think those of us who really care about the American troops, ought to just thank Bush for changing the course, and not worry too much about how we were insulted and called names by these guys for suggesting the plan that Bush has finally decided to implement.

All that matters is that finally Bush and company are waking up to reality.

I think they are coming close to accomplishing another of the original goals. I know it's politically convenient to make it sound as if he is finally listening to the democrats but it's simply not true.

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"Some men eventually stumble over the truth but they usually pick themselves up and walk on as if nothing ever happened."
-Winston Churchill

"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
-George Bernard Shaw

Nope, the entire plan from start to finish involved us turning security over to the Iraq Government. Anyone that was not a political hack would admit that and quit making false claims now. We will switch to some fire Brigades and eventually as the Iraqis get even better switch to just being there if they need us.

As was planned from day one.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

More leftwing propoganda from Article 15....

THIS IS NOT A TIMETABLE, FOLKS!!!

This is merely just a schedule showing an estimated date in which we might start drawing down our troops.

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But the liberals SO want to make it look as if they ended the war. It'll be pretty tough to honestly claim that when the framework is already beign set in motion.

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"Some men eventually stumble over the truth but they usually pick themselves up and walk on as if nothing ever happened."
-Winston Churchill

"But though there is no difference in this respect between the best demagogue and the worst, both of them having to present their cases equally in terms of melodrama, there is all the difference in the world between the statesman who is humbugging the people into allowing him to do the will of God, in whatever disguise it may come to him, and one who is humbugging them into furthering his personal ambition and the commercial interests of the plutocrats who own the newspapers and support him on reciprocal terms."
-George Bernard Shaw

You can count on it getting screwed up if Obama is President and the Democrats control both houses of Congress. His 16 months will become 5 or 6 and he will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. AND then blame Bush.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)