We are no longer involved in a war.

It is an occupation.

How do you "win" and occupation?

You leave.

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"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell

It was never a war. There is no end goal in sight because, as you stated so eloquently...we are occupying not waging war.

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Luminous Beings Are We.

The American people need to ask why we are occupying another country.

Why are we spilling our blood to occupy someone elses country?

If it is to keep it from having terrorists then why did we go after a country which was no threat to us and turn it into a place the terrorists could take advantage of?

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"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell

That is the question whose answer they will kill to protect.

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Luminous Beings Are We.

I wonder how much more for gas the American people would pay to have our country out of this war?

The really sad thing is we are paying like twice what we were paying before we entered Iraq already.

We have been taken for a huge ride by the oil industires in the world via the Bush admin.

Its time to end this occupation and to quit paying for this gas with the lives of our brave young soldiers.

Ill pay another dollar a gallon to stop the bleeding of our troops and the treasury of our country.

Its costing us trillions already.

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"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2451828.shtml

heres a little information no one seems to pay any attention to.

The meters on the oil pumps have been broken for years and no one replaces them. This makes it possible to steal oil and sell it on the world black market vertually cost free.

Who is it that is profiting from this free oil?

They dont have to pay Iraq for it because it is uncounted.

Just transport it and sell it on the black market.

No wonder Bush refuses to leave this cash cow until the bitter end.

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"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell

You cant handle the truth.

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"The essence of the Liberal outlook lies not in what opinions are held, but in how they are held: instead of being held dogmatically, they are held tentatively, and with a consciousness that new evidence may at any moment lead to their abandonment." -Bertrand Russell

I hear you and know what you mean. Read the following relevant flip-flop. These are things that Bush said in a 2000 year debate.

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html

I don't think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in nation building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place. So I would take my responsibility seriously. And it starts with making sure we rebuild our military power...

If we don't have a clear vision of the military, if we don't stop extending our troops all around the world and nation building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road, and I'm going to prevent that.

How does he do this – by having our military go into Iraq very soon after going into Afghanistan and, after toppling Saddam, work on practically creating a new nation in Iraq based on democracy.

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"Extremes to the right and left of any political dispute are always wrong."
—Dwight D. Eisenhower

Gee TM how is that you can make a coherent sentence on this sight but not on others??? I see you still put forth you usual drivel.....

A question for you would be "what do you propose we do"? You complain a lot but you NEVER have an answer to ANY problem! Why is that???

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If you cant do something smart, Do something right!

The United States is the world's best hope, but if you fetter her in the interests and quarrels of other nations, if you tangle her in the intrigues of Europe, you will destroy her powerful good, and endanger her very existence. Leave her to march freely through the centuries to come, as in the years that have gone. Strong, generous, and confident, she has nobly served mankind. Beware how you trifle with your marvelous inheritance — this great land of ordered liberty. For if we stumble and fall, freedom and civilization everywhere will go down in ruin-Henry Cabot Lodge 1919


If your not a Liberal in your 20's than you have no heart, If your not a Conservative in your 40's than you have no brain. Churchill 1930's

And what was the time after VE Day? How about the time after VJ Day?

How long after Germany fell did it take for them to take over their own country again? Did we stick around due to threat of their neighbors?

Do we do to Iraq what we did to Germany after WW1? Stick them with the bill? Or do we help them rebuild like we did after WW2?

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Why would we walk away when we are so close to finishing?

http://www.aei.org/publications/filt...pub_detail.asp

Let me guess you're the type that starts something but doesn't finish it... And you expect us to do the same. I'm betting your house is full of half or near finished projects.

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Great post....they seem to forget the past. Liberals just want to spin their own partisian drivel with no response.

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Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.
Will Rogers

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel or envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Winston Churchill

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.

JFK

No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain

Let me guess. You are the kind of person who once he/she starts something, you will continue no matter how much the cost or the proof that you were wrong to start it?

How deep do you dig a hole after you realize you started digging in the wrong place?

Well... Concedering we have achived 2/3rds of the goals set and the rest are due to be achived by Oct 1, it would be stupid of us to pull out. To leave now we will be making the same mistake we made after WW1.

Why don't you reply to my questions in the post above the one you choose to quote?

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WE still have troops in Japan,
We still have troops in Korea,
We still have troops in Germany,
We occupied Western Germany for a long---long time. Even though weren't "fighting" anyone.
We have troops in the Phillipines.

We don't here anyone griping about the tax-dollars spend maintaining troops and personnel over there????
So are a troops everlasting presence in another country during peace time better than 5 years of troop presence in a war zone??HMM.......