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03-21-2008, 08:55 PM
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Rep Power: 57 | | | 80,000 Well-armed, angry Sunnis....courtesy of GW Bush
Bush's strategy of paying former sunni insurgents to not attack us, and bribing and arming them to fight al qaeda was a brilliant long term strategy, and is paying dividends. Quote: 80,000 Well-Armed, Angry Sunnis
After watching video clips of Obama saying "typical white person" 500 times, you may want to pay attention to a story of 80,000 angry Sunnis threatening to strike and reduce Iraq to total chaos.
At issue are the Concerned Local Citizens groups (CLCs) that we have been paying for over a year not to kill us and instead to defend their territories and drive out Al Qaeda in Iraq. You could not set up a more potentially unstable situation if you tried. The CLCs have no fealty to the national government; in fact they are if anything oppositional to it. The Shiites in power are afraid of incorporating the CLCs into the Iraqi security forces. It has been alleged that the CLCs include former insurgents and rogues, and they are primarily interested in 1) receiving money, and 2) defending their corner of Iraq from all invaders, foreign and domestic. This is not a path to national reconciliation but balkanization.
And then the military and the Administration went and did the worst thing possible - they forgot to pay everyone on time. That's right - the incompetents that still reign throughout the Bush Administration aren't paying the bills. And so we may see a general strike.
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The success of the US "surge" strategy in Iraq may be under threat as Sunni militia employed by the US to fight al-Qaida are warning of a national strike because they are not being paid regularly.
Leading members of the 80,000-strong Sahwa, or awakening, councils have said they will stop fighting unless payment of their $10 a day (£5) wage is resumed. The fighters are accusing the US military of using them to clear al-Qaida militants from dangerous areas and then abandoning them.
A telephone survey by GuardianFilms for Channel 4 News reveals that out of 49 Sahwa councils four with more than 1,400 men have already quit, 38 are threatening to go on strike and two already have.
Improved security in Iraq in recent months has been attributed to a combination of the surge, the truce observed by Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi army, and the effectiveness and commitment of the councils, which are drawn from Sunni Arabs and probably the most significant factor, according to most analysts.
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The military is using these Sunni forces to "do their dirty work," as one council head put it, and now they aren't even holding up their end of the bargain. Also, the fact that none of the CLC members are being allowed to get jobs in the Iraqi security forces is causing a lot of tension.
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03-21-2008, 08:57 PM
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Rep Power: 57 | | | A huge militia of well armed and angry sunnis.
That the shia government in Baghdad wants nothing to do with, and in fact fears.
And if we don't keep paying these sunni warlords, they might get totally pissed at us.
Could bush have created a worse clusterf*ck? |
03-21-2008, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance  A huge militia of well armed and angry sunnis.
That the shia government in Baghdad wants nothing to do with, and in fact fears.
And if we don't keep paying these sunni warlords, they might get totally pissed at us.
Could bush have created a worse clusterf*ck? | OMG dumbass, there going on strike, not attacking US troops. Obama is still a racist! 
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03-21-2008, 10:02 PM
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03-27-2008, 04:35 PM
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Rep Power: 28 | | It's all about money. With enough, you could get a chimp elected.
Oops, that was redundant.
I suppose you are familiar with his success as a business man also?
The sons are not quite as good as Grampa and now Dad with Carlyle. Silverado, Broward Savings and Loan.....Texas Rangers, Quote:
Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company's oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.
Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush's Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart is going to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush's father was president and the case was quietly dropped.
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03-27-2008, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance A huge militia of well armed and angry sunnis.
That the shia government in Baghdad wants nothing to do with, and in fact fears.
And if we don't keep paying these sunni warlords, they might get totally pissed at us.
Could bush have created a worse clusterf*ck? | Sure. Bush created AQ, Sunni and Shia muslims and made them start killing anythign that wasn't them just to give you something to drip tears all over this board about. 
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03-27-2008, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc It's all about money. With enough, you could get a chimp elected.
Oops, that was redundant.
I suppose you are familiar with his success as a business man also?
The sons are not quite as good as Grampa and now Dad with Carlyle. Silverado, Broward Savings and Loan.....Texas Rangers, | And of course Tweedle Dum chimes in with nothing intelligent to say. As usual.
You really should do something about this infatuation you have with President Bush.
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03-27-2008, 08:09 PM
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Maybe you'll have less time to commiserate about the worlds problems, because when you do, you get it all wrong. 
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04-02-2008, 07:56 AM
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Rep Power: 28 | | So now you are at the name callling stage, Gunny. Out of facts? Oh, I know everything the lefties say is shit, what your side says is fukking holly grail. Quote: |
Sure. Bush created AQ, Sunni and Shia muslims and made them start killing anythign that wasn't them just to give you something to drip tears all over this board about
| No one said that, but it's a nice distraction. He did create the fuckking problem with the fired Iraqi army going home with their weapons but no pay or job. And yes he did create the problem of arming Sunnis now who may turn against US. And he did ignore many of his senior generals when they didn't see it his way. As a Lt studend pilot, I really don't think he got a whole lot of experience in military strategy that makes him an expert over the career generals who disagreed.
I have a job. I hope to keep it. But with the way Bush has strengthened our economy, who knows what will happen. AND PLEASE QUIT PISSING AND MOANING ABOUT THREADS AGAINST BUSH'S POLICIES UNLESS YOU QUIT YOURS FOR HIM. I THOUGHT THE REASON WE SERVED IN THE MILITARY WAS TO PROTECT FREE SPEECH NOT SELL IT TO ONE SIDE.
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04-02-2008, 06:50 PM
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Rep Power: 48 | | | Hate to break it to you, but there were plenty of armed, angry sunnis and shias that hated us well before George Bush was ever in office. Remember a little place called Iran back in 1979?
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04-02-2008, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance A huge militia of well armed and angry sunnis.
That the shia government in Baghdad wants nothing to do with, and in fact fears.
And if we don't keep paying these sunni warlords, they might get totally pissed at us.
Could bush have created a worse clusterf*ck? | Not automatically.
It means just, that the service they provide will stop. Maybe turning blind eye to regrouping Al Qaeda in that area. So these Sunni militias have a standpoint in possible negotiations with USA. For me it reads like they want more money. I can not believe, that USA is not paying these militias as this is a important point of the surge particularily.
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Originally Posted by canavar Not automatically.
It means just, that the service they provide will stop. Maybe turning blind eye to regrouping Al Qaeda in that area. So these Sunni militias have a standpoint in possible negotiations with USA. For me it reads like they want more money. I can not believe, that USA is not paying these militias as this is a important point of the surge particularily. | Wrong!
Those Sunni's are the very same "insurgents" that were killing Americans a year ago. Stop paying them, and they will go back to their old ways. |
04-04-2008, 11:30 AM
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We have paid people not to fight us and then armed them.
Then stopped paying them.
It very simple folks.
Your loyalty to the republican party is admirable.
Your lack of loyalty to your country over your party is disgusting.
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Rep Power: 64 | | | I think we should invade any country with a crazy leader who threatens to attack us. That's disloyal, how?
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