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02-23-2008, 06:14 PM
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When you take your eye off the ball to attack a country who is no threat and had no connection to the 9-11 attack, you get this kind of crap.
We can thank George when he leaves US with two wars.
How many more will die for his incompetence? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/ma...hp&oref=slogin |
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02-23-2008, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc  When you take your eye off the ball to attack a country who is no threat and had no connection to the 9-11 attack, you get this kind of crap.
We can thank George when he leaves US with two wars.
How many more will die for his incompetence? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/ma...hp&oref=slogin | The only incompetence is by people like you.
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02-23-2008, 07:36 PM
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Rayboy, that was the best damn article I've ever read on the Afghanistan War. Thanks. |
02-23-2008, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance Naturally, alleged GunnySarge didn't read it, and has nothing of substance to add.
Rayboy, that was the best damn article I've ever read on the Afghanistan War. Thanks. | We were never going to send large numbers of American troops to Afghanistan. The whole point was NOT to send large numbers so as to NOT piss off the locals. Further the types of troops we needed for the terrain involved were not and still are not available.
Afghanistan is a NATO mission. Any failure there is the fault of NATO. To be more specific the fault of the lackadasical approach taken by Countries that refuse to allow their troops to fight anyone. The French and German come to mind.
Any heavy handed action we took or take in Afghanistan is counter productive.
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02-23-2008, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Any heavy handed action we took or take in Afghanistan is counter productive. | and the heavy handed action we took and take in Iraq ISN'T????? 
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Originally Posted by maineman and the heavy handed action we took and take in Iraq ISN'T????? | Neither here nor there in this thread. Or are you trolling?
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02-23-2008, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by maineman and the heavy handed action we took and take in Iraq ISN'T????? | LOL
So keeping a small footprint in afghanistan to not piss the locals off, but surging more troops into Iraq will help.
LOL
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance LOL
So keeping a small footprint in afghanistan to not piss the locals off, but surging more troops into Iraq will help.
LOL
The gyrations Bush lovers have to jump through to justify their hero's incompetence | bingo
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt We were never going to send large numbers of American troops to Afghanistan. The whole point was NOT to send large numbers so as to NOT piss off the locals. | This post was so funny, I had to address it point by point.
You say we need a small footprint in afghanistan to not piss off the locals. But, you were in favor of surging more and more troops into Iraq. That's hilarious. Quote: |
Further the types of troops we needed for the terrain involved were not and still are not available.
| Given that you were COMPLETELY misinformed about current US military posture in the Balkans, I give your knowledge of the state of the american military a grade of F minus. Sorry, I'm not taking your word for anything on military matters. Quote: |
Afghanistan is a NATO mission. Any failure there is the fault of NATO.
| I see. When it looked like Bush had achieved a glorious victory in afganistan in December 2001, Bush got all the credit from you, not NATO. Seven years later, as Bush loses a second war, it's NATO's fault. Defending Bush to the last day, I see. Quote: |
To be more specific the fault of the lackadasical approach taken by Countries that refuse to allow their troops to fight anyone. The French and German come to mind.
| Sorry, blaming germany and france for your president's failure won't cut it. If anyone's been lackadaisical and taken their eye off the ball, it's your president. Who diverted us into invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11. If he'd focused on Afghanistan, we might have salvaged something. He's the Leader of NATO by default. And we were the one's who were attacked, NATO was just along for the ride. Quote: |
Any heavy handed action we took or take in Afghanistan is counter productive.
| This is the most hilarious statement in the post. You think occupying Iraq with 150,000 troops doesn't piss people off?  |
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Originally Posted by DeadCanDance This post was so funny, I had to address it point by point.
You say we need a small footprint in afghanistan to not piss off the locals. But, you were in favor of surging more and more troops into Iraq. That's hilarious.
Given that you were COMPLETELY misinformed about current US military posture in the Balkans, I give your knowledge of the state of the american military a grade of F minus. Sorry, I'm not taking your word for anything on military matters.
I see. When it looked like Bush had achieved a glorious victory in afganistan in December 2001, Bush got all the credit from you, not NATO. Seven years later, as Bush loses a second war, it's NATO's fault. Defending Bush to the last day, I see.
Sorry, blaming germany and france for your president's failure won't cut it. If anyone's been lackadaisical and taken their eye off the ball, it's your president. Who diverted us into invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11. If he'd focused on Afghanistan, we might have salvaged something. He's the Leader of NATO by default. And we were the one's who were attacked, NATO was just along for the ride.
This is the most hilarious statement in the post. You think occupying Iraq with 150,000 troops doesn't piss people off? | Your knowledge of military and foreign affairs could be inscribed on the head of a pin. Your insistance that Iraq and Afghanistan are one and the same are the hillarious part.
The simple fact , one that Maineman knows full well, is that there NEVER would have been a large presence of American troops in Afghanistan regardless of Iraq or any other war or non war.
Our mechanized military is totally unsuited to fight in that terrain to begin with and our special troops are small. Further these troops are hampered by political decisions imposed by all sides of the political spectrum. We lost all but one member of a crack Seal Team because of political arrangements.
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The only incompetence is by people like you
| Fukking right, Gunny. When you don't have data attack the person.
The War in Afghanistan (2001–present), which began on October 7, 2001, was launched by the United States of America and the United Kingdom in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. It was the beginning of the Bush Administration's War on Terrorism. The stated purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to al-Qaeda.
The U.S. and the U.K. led the aerial bombing campaign, with ground forces supplied primarily by the Afghan Northern Alliance. In 2002, U.S., British and Canadian infantry were committed, along with special forces from several allied nations. Later, NATO troops were added. The U.S. military calls the conflict Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF).
The initial attack removed the Taliban from power, but Taliban forces have since regained some strength.[11] The war has been less successful in achieving the goal of restricting al-Qaeda's movement.[12] Since 2006, Afghanistan has seen threats to its stability from increased Taliban-led insurgent activity, growing illegal drug production, and a fragile government with limited control outside of Kabul.
If you want a detailed explanation of what has happened, read on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...2%80%93present) |
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc Fukking right, Gunny. When you don't have data attack the person.
The War in Afghanistan (2001–present), which began on October 7, 2001, was launched by the United States of America and the United Kingdom in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks. It was the beginning of the Bush Administration's War on Terrorism. The stated purpose of the invasion was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime which had provided support and safe harbor to al-Qaeda.
The U.S. and the U.K. led the aerial bombing campaign, with ground forces supplied primarily by the Afghan Northern Alliance. In 2002, U.S., British and Canadian infantry were committed, along with special forces from several allied nations. Later, NATO troops were added. The U.S. military calls the conflict Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF).
The initial attack removed the Taliban from power, but Taliban forces have since regained some strength.[11] The war has been less successful in achieving the goal of restricting al-Qaeda's movement.[12] Since 2006, Afghanistan has seen threats to its stability from increased Taliban-led insurgent activity, growing illegal drug production, and a fragile government with limited control outside of Kabul.
If you want a detailed explanation of what has happened, read on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...2%80%93present) | The entire premise of this thread is stupid, and obviously so. And I see the usual bleeting Bush-bashers are talking out their asses, as usual.
I suppose we should have just said "fuck it" and not bothered going after bin Laden or al Qaeda or the Taliban?
And now you want to blame Bush for not completely destroying the Taliban. Are you suggesting that you would support invading a sovereign nation (Pakistan) in order to do so like your favorite lefty candidate has?
Why does that just sound SO hypocritical?
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Never said we shouldn't have gone after Ossama and the Taliban. I said we should have done it right and finished it. We had the chance to harm them seriously.
We didn't. |
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Originally Posted by rayboyusmc You are twisting the words more and more.
Never said we shouldn't have gone after Ossama and the Taliban. I said we should have done it right and finished it. We had the chance to harm them seriously.
We didn't. | Yes we did. And we continue to do so.
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Originally Posted by RetiredGySgt Yes we did. And we continue to do so. |
outsourcing the job to Afghan warlords at Tora Bora was a bad idea.
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