Is anyone willing to say that Bush should have at least inspected the hospitals before he had us go to war? Can you say that there is anything that you think would be obvious that Bush should have done differently? (I’m not talking about hindsight being 20/20. I’m talking about foresight that would make you think that Bush jumped into war too quickly.) Would anyone say something along these lines, “Wow? You screwed up here. Didn’t it ever dawn on you that this action would be more appropriate?” - or do all pro-Bush and Pro-Iraq people think that all of Bush’s decisions throughout the war in Iraq to this point were reasonable and well-planned-out.

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There is nothing to indicate that we jumped into the war too quickly.

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"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...evolving_view/

You're kidding, right, Shooter? A holiday joke thing you got going there?

Riots, plundering, too few troops, the beginning of open civil unrest between religious groups, primarily Sunni and Shi'a; and an almost total infrastructure breakdown (which hasn't been rectified yet).

Didn't jump in too quickly, you say? Ah, yes, those elusive WMD's. Something I've always wondered about and questioned while watching Powell's dog and pony presentation before the UN (with the not-too-happy visage of Tenet always visible off Powell's right shoulder). All those photos of suspected chem/bio labs and mobile units; all those WMD factories and storage facilities. Meanwhile, back in Iraq, the UN had searchers on the ground looking for those alleged WMD thingies. Why did not the US transmit the location of the coordinates of those alleged sites to the UN teams on the ground? All photos have those coordinates. But, nope, Geo. the Lesser announced his war would begin and for the inspectors to high tail it out of harm's way. Didn't jump into war too quickly, you say?
Ah, I don't think so.

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Presuming for the moment that these things actually happend to the degree that you believe they did -- how do they indicate that we 'jumped into the war too quickly'?

Hans Blix, 26 FEB 2003:
""I do not think I can say there is evidence of a fundamental decision [by Iraq to disarm]"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79671,00.html
That covers the WMD issue.

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"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...evolving_view/

Perhaps you should try looking at the final Blix Report instead of what they said on FauxNews.

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You were SO falling all over yourself to rip Fox News that you didnt take the time to see they had posted an AP story.

Not surprising, but so very, very sad.

No fundamental decision to disarm. All you need to know.

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"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...evolving_view/

You mean the big bad liberal media aided in the run up to the war? shocked I tell ya....

My point either way (and perhaps I was a little quick to jump on poor little FauxNews) is that the Blix Report said something real different.

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69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

Uh. If we had prepared adequately, we would have went in with an overwhelming ground force, after first clearing the area with an overwhelming number of armored vehicles. We would have had more than enough soldiers to squelch the riots and guard places from plunder. We would have then immediately had engineers there, fully protected by armored soldiers, to immediately start rebuilding the infrastructure after we destroy it. There would not have been so many kidnappings if I had decided that we go to war and led the war. It is as simple as that.

P.S. The hospitals should have been ready.

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Here's a link to the text of Blix report, what part do you disagree with Jillian?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/27/spr...lix/index.html

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As I've said more than once ...

Bush's decision to invade Iraq was a mistake. Sure, Saddam was everything Bush claimed he was, and none of the weak-ass arguments have disproven it.

But Saddam was the lesser of two evils. The DoD assessment back in 91 was that if Saddam was taken out, it would create a power vaccuum and lead to factional fighting, and a (as predicted then) a rush for control by Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Syria. While some of the players have turned out to be different, the result has been essentially the same.

Strategically, as long as Saddam was in power, he stood between all the factions and kept them at bay.

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maybe I'm weird, but this just strikes me wrong:

Do you understand how lame this is?

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The hospital question? I just ignored it and went with the intent of his question. I have no idea what matts is talking about in regard to hospitals. Perhaps he will enlighten us.

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I dont see where Blix recants his statement in the report.
I also see lots of places where Blix says that Ieaq cannot account for numberuns WMDs it said it had.

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The keys to enormous American prosperity have always been individual liberty and personal responsibility. Liberals want to undermine both, and the former in the ways most restrictive of those things geared toward prosperity.
-M14 Shooter

"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...evolving_view/

Uh... we did. Iraq fell in three weeks.

We sent 2 infantry divisions; the UK sent one armored division.
How did they not overwhelm the Iraqi army?

There's -something- simple here, that's for sure...

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The keys to enormous American prosperity have always been individual liberty and personal responsibility. Liberals want to undermine both, and the former in the ways most restrictive of those things geared toward prosperity.
-M14 Shooter

"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster. It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2004
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...evolving_view/

Did I say anything about the Iraqi army? I’m not just talking about the army. I’m talking about all of the mess in Iraq: the looting, the delay in restoring the infrastructure, the kidnappings, and the unnecessarily large number of injuries to our soldiers. This would not have happened if we had sent in enough people.

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