http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...=1211656508015

http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english...ion=2&id=12839

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asharq al awsat??/

I thought all Arabs couldn't WAIT for Obama to be president.

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Hamas, not all arabs

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You're going to fault an Arab reporting source. Give me a break.

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I'd really love an explanation from the headline writer of this thread.

Explain how these two articles caused you to write Obama "is" making allies nervous?

Allies???? isn't there a enormous contradiction here? Since when did we care about allies, especially on the right?

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Why? Have I ever used one? And did I fault the source? Or is it that I think the conclusion you draw is intentionally misleading?

But good to know you guys haven't lost the ole propaganda arm...

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This passage clearly differentiates Bush’s intransigent negotiation policy from that of his predecessors, and hopefully his successor. In normal times, a rational precondition would be that Iran is willing to accept the three Security Council resolutions if an agreement can be reached at negotiations. We have no reason to discuss terms if Iran refuses to even consider our objective. If Iran agrees to negotiate, we get together to discuss terms.

The Bush League, however, wants Iran to agree to accept the three Security Council resolutions in advance of negotiations. They have to show all of their cards before we even ante up. That is more than a precondition – that is a demand for capitulation. It requires Iran to give us everything we want before we give them anything. No sane person would agree to unconditional surrender in these circumstances, and no sane person would expect Iran to do that either.

Would you buy a house from someone who demanded that you agree to pay full market price as a condition to negotiate?

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I have the distinct impression that rightwingers are tossing around the word "preconditions!", without any thought to what it really means. Its a word they have been repeatedly exposed from the rightwing media, and have been trained to chant it pavlovian dog style.

What exactly do they mean "no preconditions"? Has Obama offered to give away something? Are we supposed to never talk to them unless they agree beforehand, to give us what we want?

And why is Bush calling Israel appeasers? Israel is meeting with the terrorist state Syria, with no preconditions, in peace talks. Is Israel appeassing?

Israeli-Arab "peace talks" = the same endless blah-blah-blah that leads to nowhere we've been seeing for the last 60 years.

Contrary to popular belief, Camp David is not a peace treaty at all.

Just a non-aggression pact bought with american money.

Well except Bush has spoken repeatedly on the Issue, he left it to Europe to handle and the UN. We do not need to hold everyone's hand on every matter. As I recall we get bad mouthed for doing JUST that. But nice spin on that.

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Can you provide a link to said press conference?

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Even people in your own party says Obama is wrong on Iran....but it is funny to watch you guys scramble to defend the undefendable....

http://newsblaze.com/story/200805231...-Releases.html
At A July 2007 Debate, Obama Announced He Would Personally Meet With Leaders Of Iran,North Korea, Syria And Other Hostile Nations "Without Precondition." Question: "[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, inWashington or anywhere else, with the leaders ofIran,Syria,Venezuela,Cuba andNorth Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"... Obama: "I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them -- which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration - is ridiculous." (CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate,Charleston, SC, 7/23/07)

Sen. Biden Said Obama Gave "Wrong Answer" On Negotiating Unconditionally With Hostile Foreign Leaders, But Then Falsely Claims Obama Has Changed His Position: Biden: "[Obama has] learned a hell of a lot. I think he has. What we're talking about here is that he has repeatedly since then said he would not negotiate unconditionally, meaning him sitting down, alone, right off the bat with these leaders. He's talked about his Secretary of State, his Secretary of Defense. Matter of a fact, the statements he use mirrors the statement the rest of us have been talking about. This is a fellow who I think shorthanded an answer that in fact was the wrong answer, in my view, saying I would within my first year, it implied he'd personally sit down with anybody who wanted to sit down with him. That's not what he meant. That's not what he has said since then for the last year or thereabout. And so I think he's fully capable of understanding of what's going." (ABC's "This Week," 5/18/08)


Former Sen. Gary Hart On CNN's "Late Edition" Said Unconditionally Meeting With Leaders Of Rogue Nations "Doesn't Lead To Anything," Went On To Misstate Obama's Stated Position. CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "But the question he was specifically asked at one of the Presidential debates is, would you personally as President, be willing to sit down with these leaders, whether leaders ofNorth Korea orVenezuela orCuba orIran without pre-conditions, in your first year as President, that was the specific question, he said yes. He later expanded. He said that there would be preparations that would have to be done by lower-level officials. But he was saying without pre-conditions, he personally would be willing to do so." Gary Hart: "Well, depends on how you define pre-conditions. I've been in those debates, and everything gets compressed. I don't think Barack Obama or any other President is going to meet with a head of state without lower-level discussions preceding that. It doesn't lead to anything. What you do is send diplomats and negotiators to explore areas of mutual interest. And if it does seem profitable, then you go to the heads of state. We did this with the Soviets throughout the Cold War. Richard Nixon did it with the Chinese. And the preparations led up to those discussions." (CNN's "Late Edition," 5/18/08)


DLC Chairman Harold Ford, Jr. On NBC's "Meet the Press": "I'll concede you cannot meet with foreign leaders - with terrorists rather - and those that lead rogue nations without some conditions." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 5/18/08)

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