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A top Iranian Jewish community leader on Wednesday described the recent immigration of 40 Iranian Jews to Israel as a "misinformation campaign" and insisted that Jews living in the Islamic Republic were not in danger under the hard-line policies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Forty Iranians landed in Israel on Tuesday after a secret journey to the Jewish state. No details about their route of exit from Iran were given, but it was assumed they came through a third country.

Ciamak Morsathegh, who heads the Teheran Jewish Committee, claimed Wednesday that the immigrants were not Iranian because pictures broadcast on television in Israel on Tuesday did not show their faces. In Israel, the broadcasters did not show their faces because there was concern that publicity could lead to harm of Jews still in Iran.

"This is a misinformation campaign, a campaign of lies against Iran and its Jewish community. We can't confirm that 40 Iranian Jews landed in Israel," Morsathegh told The Associated Press.




A joint statement signed by Morsathegh and Morris Motamed, the only Jewish lawmaker in the Iranian parliament, also said the Iranian Jews have never been part of any "organized immigration" to Israel.

The operation to Israel was sponsored by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, a charity that funnels millions of dollars from evangelical donors each year.

Yehiel Eckstein, a rabbi who founded the fellowship, said each immigrant receives US$10,000 (€6,950) from the group to help get them started in Israel. He has warned that the situation facing Iranian Jews is critical, because of the attitude of Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Though Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Iranian citizens are not legally authorized to travel to the Jewish state, Morsathegh insisted Jews in Iran are not in danger.

Iran's Jewish community of about 25,000 people is protected by the country's constitution and remains the largest in the Muslim Middle East. Synagogues, Jewish schools and stores operate openly. Morsathegh said in Teheran there are 20 synagogues, eight butchers, five schools, four youth organizations and two restaurants.

Morsathegh said Iranians, including Jews, immigrated from Iran following the 1979 Islamic revolution that brought hard-line clerics to power but said there had not been an exodus of Jews from Iran in recent years.

"We are one of the oldest communities in Iran. We are free to practice our religion. Anti-Semitism is a Western phenomenon but Jews have never been in danger in Iran," said Morsathegh, who spoke in his office in the Sapir Charity Hospital, which is run by Iranian Jews.

Morsathegh said Iran's Jewish community disagreed with hard-line Ahmadinejad when he called the Holocaust a "myth" but insisted his policies do not endanger Iran's Jewish minority.

While some of the Iranian Jewish immigrants in Israel were quoted as saying that they were scared to wear a skullcap in the streets in Iran, Morsathegh said it was "sheer lies."

"We are Iranian Jews and are proud of our nationality. No amount of money can encourage us to give up Iran. Our nationality is not up for sale," Morsathegh said.

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I'm sure they face discrimination in iran. But, I'm not aware that there's ever been any systematic killing of jews in iran, as there has been in europe.

It's certainly not a great place to be jewish, but I don't think they're getting blown up, beheaded, and murdered in any systematic way.
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A top Iranian Jewish community leader on Wednesday described the recent immigration of 40 Iranian Jews to Israel as a "misinformation campaign" and insisted that Jews living in the Islamic Republic were not in danger under the hard-line policies of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Forty Iranians landed in Israel on Tuesday after a secret journey to the Jewish state. No details about their route of exit from Iran were given, but it was assumed they came through a third country.

Ciamak Morsathegh, who heads the Teheran Jewish Committee, claimed Wednesday that the immigrants were not Iranian because pictures broadcast on television in Israel on Tuesday did not show their faces. In Israel, the broadcasters did not show their faces because there was concern that publicity could lead to harm of Jews still in Iran.

"This is a misinformation campaign, a campaign of lies against Iran and its Jewish community. We can't confirm that 40 Iranian Jews landed in Israel," Morsathegh told The Associated Press.




A joint statement signed by Morsathegh and Morris Motamed, the only Jewish lawmaker in the Iranian parliament, also said the Iranian Jews have never been part of any "organized immigration" to Israel.

The operation to Israel was sponsored by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, a charity that funnels millions of dollars from evangelical donors each year.

Yehiel Eckstein, a rabbi who founded the fellowship, said each immigrant receives US$10,000 (€6,950) from the group to help get them started in Israel. He has warned that the situation facing Iranian Jews is critical, because of the attitude of Ahmadinejad, who has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

Though Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Iranian citizens are not legally authorized to travel to the Jewish state, Morsathegh insisted Jews in Iran are not in danger.

Iran's Jewish community of about 25,000 people is protected by the country's constitution and remains the largest in the Muslim Middle East. Synagogues, Jewish schools and stores operate openly. Morsathegh said in Teheran there are 20 synagogues, eight butchers, five schools, four youth organizations and two restaurants.

Morsathegh said Iranians, including Jews, immigrated from Iran following the 1979 Islamic revolution that brought hard-line clerics to power but said there had not been an exodus of Jews from Iran in recent years.

"We are one of the oldest communities in Iran. We are free to practice our religion. Anti-Semitism is a Western phenomenon but Jews have never been in danger in Iran," said Morsathegh, who spoke in his office in the Sapir Charity Hospital, which is run by Iranian Jews.

Morsathegh said Iran's Jewish community disagreed with hard-line Ahmadinejad when he called the Holocaust a "myth" but insisted his policies do not endanger Iran's Jewish minority.

While some of the Iranian Jewish immigrants in Israel were quoted as saying that they were scared to wear a skullcap in the streets in Iran, Morsathegh said it was "sheer lies."

"We are Iranian Jews and are proud of our nationality. No amount of money can encourage us to give up Iran. Our nationality is not up for sale," Morsathegh said.

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as opposed to a Palestinians dream of becoming PM of Israel?



Hey we can both toss out zingers!


Where are all the muslim hating zionists when there is GOOD NEWS from a muslim nation? Gosh, it's almost like....
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as opposed to a Palestinians dream of becoming PM of Israel?



Hey we can both toss out zingers!


Where are all the muslim hating zionists when there is GOOD NEWS from a muslim nation? Gosh, it's almost like....
All bs-ing aside, this is damage control, nothing more or less.
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maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What seems to be the case is that there is a jewish population living in what some would have you believe is a bastion of jew hating muslims. Now, for sure, there are reasons jews and muslims won't gel considering the blank check policy of israel and the violent raction of muslims.. But, simply accepting what this sotry tells us as "damage ontrol" is going a bit far. Indeed, we have jewish Iranians in Israel AND iran calling bullshit on an israeli policy meant to demonize muslims rather than save anyone from apparent harm. THAT, sir, speaks volumes.
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maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What seems to be the case is that there is a jewish population living in what some would have you believe is a bastion of jew hating muslims. Now, for sure, there are reasons jews and muslims won't gel considering the blank check policy of israel and the violent raction of muslims.. But, simply accepting what this sotry tells us as "damage ontrol" is going a bit far. Indeed, we have jewish Iranians in Israel AND iran calling bullshit on an israeli policy meant to demonize muslims rather than save anyone from apparent harm. THAT, sir, speaks volumes.
And indeed is there not likewise an Arab population living in what some would have us believe is a bastion of Muslim-hating Jews?
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the difference being that we AUTOMATICALLY give one the benefit of the doubt while having no intention of extending the same to the other.. now, which blank do you want to fill in? Indeed, which do we make excuse for when they get caught up in a lie (see above article) and which to we insist is more dangerous than they are for the sake of averting the Scarlet A?

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Hey Jillian! Why don't you come on in here and tell me what kind of a fucking jew hating racist I am for DARING to post an article like the one above where IRANIAN JEWS call bullshit on the israeli machine?


I mean, they are probably jew hating antisemites too, you know? We could probably avoid them altogether if you cry antisemite enough times.

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Hey Jillian! Why don't you come on in here and tell me what kind of a fucking jew hating racist I am for DARING to post an article like the one above where IRANIAN JEWS call bullshit on the israeli machine?


I mean, they are probably jew hating antisemites too, you know? We could probably avoid them altogether if you cry antisemite enough times.

Who says you shouldn't have "dared" to post the article. You're free to post all the garbage you want.

So what would you do if I said to your face that the crap you spew would get jews dead? Just bringing a little reality to your fantasy world. You gonna hit me for it? Or just toss another tantrum?
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So what would you do if I said to your face that the crap you spew would get jews dead?
Are you arguing here for European/British-style "hate speech" and/or Holocaust "denial" prohibitions? I'm not sure they work so well. Folks end up going to jail for speaking their minds, and even liberals balk. Meanwhile, resentment builds like steam in the tea kettle.
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the difference being that we AUTOMATICALLY give one the benefit of the doubt while having no intention of extending the same to the other.. now, which blank do you want to fill in? Indeed, which do we make excuse for when they get caught up in a lie (see above article) and which to we insist is more dangerous than they are for the sake of averting the Scarlet A?

I read the article. STILL sounds like damage control. I really haven't ever said one or the other how I think Iran treats its Jews. My comments concerning Iran and Jews have been pretty much restricted to President Alphabet denying the Holocaust, and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.
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I read the article. STILL sounds like damage control. I really haven't ever said one or the other how I think Iran treats its Jews. My comments concerning Iran and Jews have been pretty much restricted to President Alphabet denying the Holocaust, and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.
another misnomer. Did you actually hear the words "israel wiped off the map" come from that mans lips or are you trusting people to tell you that's what he said? Can you see where the same people willing to fib about iranian jews forthe sake of contention might very well do the same think when irans president asks the VALID question, "why should muslims in the mid east pay the price for european racism" WHEN JUSTIFICATION OF ISRAEL IS AT STAKE?
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another misnomer. Did you actually hear the words "israel wiped off the map" come from that mans lips or are you trusting people to tell you that's what he said? Can you see where the same people willing to fib about iranian jews forthe sake of contention might very well do the same think when irans president asks the VALID question, "why should muslims in the mid east pay the price for european racism" WHEN JUSTIFICATION OF ISRAEL IS AT STAKE?
So no one can be trusted to transcribe the rat's words? What exactly do you mean by the last capitalized 'sentence'?
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