We were fooled once with Iraq (sorta twice), almost in North Korea, and now the bush admin. is working on the third attempt at getting this country to rise in arms against another non-threat. I truly wonder how stupid some people must be to not be able to see how the government wants us to forget about the failed war in Iraq by making up new "threats to freedom". Terrorism only exists if you allow yourself to be convinced that it exists.

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Great 'Hail Mary.' Now how about more specifics to respond to?

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Maybe you want to ask the families of the 250 people who were taken hostage in Iran and held for almost 2 yrs in 1979..
and of all our military barracks bombed in Africa and the bombings in Bali and the first trade center bombing, the Oklahoma Meir building bombing, all our embassy's bombed over seas, the USS Cole bombing, airplanes HIJACKED.......................9/11

Yea...terrorism is just a figment of "YOUR IMAGIMATION"..

But some of us live.........IN THE REAL WORLD..

OR...maybe you weren't born to see ALL THOSE...or maybe you just have your head up your....in the sand...

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Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC)

Bush wants you frightened. If you're frightened you won't notice what else he's up to. A little Orwell anyone?

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And some of us actually assess threats rationally and don't run about flailing their arms and making absurd decisions based on fear and 30 year old grudges.

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

or mabey you do ?


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Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.....

This would be hilarious if not for the fact your defending the idea that somehow we are not at war with a global terrorist threat aimed right at us.

I wait with bated breath for your sudden turn around if and when Hillary tells you in 2009 the war is real. Suddenly all the "evil" government pronouncements will be enlightened. The war will be "just" and the "intel" perfect. Gitmo will just be a Naval base again and troop rotations in and out of Iraq just the normal business of a "just" battle to save an ally.

Iran will suddenly actually be working on a nuclear bomb and any action taken by Hillary will be the "right" thing to do. he exact same people all will still be working in all the intel agencies, all the Government agencies , law enforcement and the military, but suddenly they will "know" the truth.

When the Patriot act is renewed and Hillary signs it, it will be a necassary bill designed to protect us from enemies and of course you will suddenly remember the built in end date. When Hillary allows all the supposed evil actions of Bush to stand and makes them even tougher, it will be OK cause she is just "protecting" us.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)

well your scenario on who has been selected to win the presidency is correct as is how she will play it but i don't think anyone is going to be happy eating their shitcake just because its got new icing ,right left whatever i feel the majority of people are fed up

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"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it." -- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861

Remember, remember, the 11th of september The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.....

I doubt many of those families want to go to war with iran for something that happened over a quarter century ago.


That was done by Sunni fundamentalists - Al Qaeda - not by iranian shia or their allies. Sunnis consider the shia their blood enemy.

That was domestic rightwing terrorism. What's that got to do with iran?

Again, sunni fundamentalists, funded by saudis and other sunni arabs in the gulf states. Iran and the iranian shia had nothing to do with it.

You appear to either be confused, or completely misinformed. Iran had nothing to do with the litany of attacks you cited. Your certainly should become more informed, and learn not to conflate all terrorists and all threats under the same simplistic banner as the "WOT". Its a wiser and more prudent use of resources, to focus on real threats to us, and not to shadow box phantom or less worrisome threats. Modern iran has never invaded or attacked another nation state. Do they support some terrorist by regional terrorists against israel? Yes. Israel is quite capable of defending itself. And israel responds in kind, by supporting anti-iranian kurdish terrorists in the kurd territories of iran.

Iran is certainly a country that is a rouge state. Its certainly ruled by some theocratic knobheads. It is something to be managed, and dealt with. But, they had nothing to do with the attacks you cited. In fact, they have little to no real connection to sunni jihadiists; the ones who are attacking us.

I can just hear you now beating this drum on Dec 6, 1941, or Sep 10, 2001.

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Ya, b/c none of those incidents arose from as a result from our past foreign policy lol. My point went completely over your head, which is okay. Hopefully it won't go over the heads of voters, b/c I think Americans are finally seeing the the shit in the sunshine that our government defines as terrorism.

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Do explain HOW the people you are hoping will finally "see" what you want with their heads buried in the sand waiting for their asses to get shot off ...

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MY MY MY, you "DO" make a lot of unfounded assumptions, don't you???

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BUSH-BASHER entoto and proud to be.

And you think failing to distinguish between Arab groups, not understanding the differences between Shi'a and Sunni, flailing blindly with hate at anyone who is muslim... is the way to deal with the "global war on terrorism".

There is no such thing as a global war on Terrorism. There are wars against countries. If WWII had been a "global war on Fascism", we'd still be fighting.

What people have to undestand is the terrorists don't have armies. You don't use an army to fight them. Yes, you make targeted strikes agains their centers, but you don't wage war against their countries any more than you would expect someone to wage war against this country because we "harbor" terrorists.... (and by that I mean we have groups, cells, pockets of terrorists.... you think we should be blown up for that?).

So, yes, by all means assess threats and deal with them. But stupidly, blindly and irrationally striking out at anyone and everyone who is muslim (except saudi arabia and quatar and abu d'abi, of course, cause they're [incomprehensibly] our buds) advances no interest of the people of this country... though it does put a lot of money into haliburton, blackwater, and all the other companies that are going to benefit from your guys stripping our resources and privatizing everything.

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When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.
69 days left http://www.backwardsbush.com/

None of that happened. And YES you do identify enemy states and you do what ever it takes to shut them down. Terrorists do not exist in some vacuum. They are given training facilities, money arms and materials by COUNTRIES. Any Country that harbors a threat to us needs to understand the consequences may be out right WAR.

The war on terror is NOT a police action. It is not a law enforcement issue, except inside and at our borders. That you can not fathom that is why we may lose.

And like it or not WE ARE AT WAR with at least a large segment of the Muslim religion. We have not blindly done anything. Ohh and can you point us to any pograms of muslims inside this country or any other western nation? Tired ignorant red herring designed to throw smoke.

And I notice you did not deny that when Hillary continues all the Bush initiatives you won't be in the streets calling her a liar or retard.

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd. Indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.

-Bertrand Russell

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable

-Laurence J. Peters

I never said that you had no right to have an opinion. I just said that it was, in fact, worth nothing.

-Maineman ( on 12 June 2007)