republican conservative former Congressman Joe Scarborough, on Bush's claims about what he knew, and when he knew it, with regard to the Iran NIE:



Joe Scarborough Rips Bush On Iran NIE: He’s Either ‘Lying’ Or ‘Is Stupid’

Yesterday in his press conference, President Bush asserted that Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell told him “we have new information” on Iran’s nuclear program, but “he did not tell me what the information was.”

This morning, the cast of Morning Joe chided Bush’s claim. Co-host Willie Geist said, “It’s just not a credible answer, I’m afraid.” Host Joe Scarborough ripped into Bush, saying that president is either “lying to the American people” or is simply “stupid”:

"We are left with only two options here. Either the President of the United States is lying to the American people about what happened during that meeting, or the President of the United States is stupid."


http://thinkprogress.org/

why must it be either/or?

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Scarborough has no credibility.

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Sure, why beat around the Bush? Why not just call him a stupid liar like you really want?

ijits.

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how so?

because he isn't falling in line, starry eyed, behind the war drum despite evidence?

I am pretty sure that was the clear implication.

moron

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No, its just that he's so mad, has changed his mind several times and spews vitriol. There are people on the other side that do this too, conservatives, which I lend no credibility either. Hannity is the name.

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like i said, why beat around the Bush?

ijit bushwacker

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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: The stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission – which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." ~Ayn Rand

standard GOP misdirect: make the issue about Scarborough.

Now, do you believe that Bush only "found out" about the intelligence communities assessment about Iran a few days ago?

Or is he lying, because the findings in the NIE were basically formalized 6 months ago.


As for scarborough, sane conservatives can change their mind, based on new information. He's seen enough of Bush to conclude that Dubya is a bumbling incompetent. Most of america has.

I swear, sometimes it seems like most of the 24% dead enders - that small fraction that still worships Bush - is on this board.

Tell me, why would a country dripping in oil need a nuclear program to begin with?

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I don't see Joe as equivalent to hannity in the blathering department. We all change our minds. I dunno.. I've seen Joe be pretty consistent before. I've grown to respect him much in the way I have grown to respect Buchannan. Ole Pat gets red in the face and is quick to tell it how he sees it too but I'd be a fool to say that this has made him wrong about quite a few things.

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Normal people reasses their opinions as evidence warrants. I've always seen Scarborough as one of the few rational right-wing voices in media. He believes in true conservative values and I don't agree with him on an awful lot of subjects. But the man is intelligent and he, at least, gives good reasons for his opinions, even if you differ with him.

Or is it only when someone has a conservative "conversion" like Romney suddenly deciding he's anti-choice that a flip flop isn't a flip flop?

Can't help thinking about something Stephen Colbert said about George Bush at the Washington Press Corps dinner last year. He said" I love this man [Bush]. And do you know why I love him? Because he believes the same thing on Wednesday that he did on Monday...... no matter what happened on Tuesday".

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this has been explained ad naseum to bush voters on this board. Do a search.

And of course, this is another attempt to divert the thread away from bush.

do you really think bush "just" found out a few days ago that Iran had stopped their nuclear weapons program? It would seem odd, given that this NIE was virtually completed a year ago.

I guess I fail to see how one commodity (oil) displaces the desire for another commodity (nuclear energy). It's borderline comatose retarded to insist that having oil should keep a nation from wanting nuclear energy too. Further, American citizens have about as much valid input in another nation's desire for energy as they have about OUR energy prerogative.